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Glasgow Subway - A Few Questions

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I use this thing anything between 12-20 times a week and I have a few questions that I've mulled over when bored riding.

1. How fast can the trains go and how fast do they go, I'm guessing the longest stretch is between Govan and Partick?

2. Why is it so small, I don't mean length, I mean size. I'm 6'4 and have to duck down to get on and off it, even standing in the middle my head touches the roof and if I'm jammed in by the door I'm bent double. Fair enough it's old but I've been on the older undergrounds in London and Budapest and neither are this small, were those ones expanded (ie wider and taller tunnels) after initial construction or were they just built larger?

3. I've read and heard in the past a couple of proposals for expanding the route. The main one seems to be building another circle that covers the east and south east of the city with adjoining stations at Buchanan Street and St Enoch. The other being an extension along the Glasgow Harbour and another out to the East End. Was this all just talk or were there ever any finalised plans or anything more conrete than just rumours floating around, can any of this be seen online? I'd be interested to see where it was supposed to go, how they were linked (if a branch line was built to the harbour) and whether or not the new parts would be built on the same scale.

4. How much does the driver actually have to do to drive these things, I'm assuming the old myth about 'the trains can drive themselves and the driver is just there so as not to freak people out' is just that, a myth. But it seems straight forward enough, involving just the pushing of one button? I've also seen the drivers sitting on the opposite side from the platform get up off their seat and over to open the window well before the train actually stops.

5. Why does is it only open 10-6 on a Sunday, you'd think they could extend the hours a little even if it was with a real off peak 12 minute service or something?

6. At peak times on the 4 minute schedule how many trains are on each circle?

7. Is the 4 minute schedule the maximum capacity?

8. Is it definetely the third oldest undergroung in the world behind London and Budapest, some things I've read use phrases like "said to be the thirds oldest in the world", why is there any doubt?

A lot of questions I know but like I said I ride it heaps and always wondered about it, I mean lets be honest as far as transport goes it's a strange little thing. Thanks.
 
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CarterUSM

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Check wikipedia for info about route extension , there should be a hard link there to the original plans, or there used to be, on phone, can't link you, sorry! The only manual driving done is in and out of the broomloan depot i believe, and i guess it was built so small to save money at the time. I'm sure others can provide you with more info than myself however! It really reminds me of a toy town railway right enough!:D
 

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5. Why does is it only open 10-6 on a Sunday, you'd think they could extend the hours a little even if it was with a real off peak 12 minute service or something?

I think it's to do with staffing. It means they can operate with as few staff as possible (1 shifts worth would cover it all in all). It's hardly a profitable service on Sunday. Of course, there are occasionally extended openings in the run up to Christmas.

6. At peak times on the 4 minute schedule how many trains are on each circle?

It's about 24 minutes to go round once, so I reckon about 6 on each side at maximum capacity.

7. Is the 4 minute schedule the maximum capacity?.

Nope. I've seen it operate with 2 minute headways at peak times (eg football games, fireworks at Glasgow Green...). However, I don't think it's possible (or even needed) to do this routinely as delays would probably start to become a problem. Even if it were possible in terms of the infrastructure, it would require a total of 24 trains to provide a 2 minute frequency on both circles and there just isn't enough stock.
 
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How much rolling stock is there? Wikipedia claims an original order of 33 cars, with an additional order of 8 trailers, but that makes for 13 three car units plus two left over? Is this the case?
 

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I think that's right. The trains aren't in set formation. A three car train can be made up from any three cars in any formation. The only requirement is that if one of the 8 trailers (201-208) is used, it must be the center carriage. But it's common to see one of the driving cars in the middle of the train.
 

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If you can find a copy of it, I would recommend a book called Circles Under the Clyde by John wright and Ian MacLean, the ISBN number is 1-85414-190-2 / Bar code 0 781854 141903. Just about everything there is to know about the system is in it.
 

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From my experience the track seems to be long-welded rail which means that if you are standing on a station platform you can often hear trains that are 2 or 3 stations away.
 

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Is that why you can hear them? I'd always just thought it was the cavernous nature of the network. Indeed, you can sometimes hear the "bing-bong" of the announcements from another station if its quiet enough.
 

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I put ot a general request months ago for someone to write a wiki page for the stock, there is next to nothing online about it with the exception of some pages on the old cable pulled stock. You would think that no Glaswegian had an interest in their local transport.
 

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If you can find a copy of it, I would recommend a book called Circles Under the Clyde by John wright and Ian MacLean, the ISBN number is 1-85414-190-2 / Bar code 0 781854 141903. Just about everything there is to know about the system is in it.

I've got a copy of the book, and like Peter, I'd recommend it as well.

BTW max speed of the cars is 54kmph, and they do achieve this on the section between Cowcaddens and Buchanan Street.
 

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I've got a copy of the book, and like Peter, I'd recommend it as well.

BTW max speed of the cars is 54kmph, and they do achieve this on the section between Cowcaddens and Buchanan Street.

I find that very surprising; that's one of the slower bits of line in my experience. Perhaps not quite as slow as the bit from St George's Cross - Cowcaddens, but not particularly fast nonetheless. It is considerably faster in the other direction (Buchanan Street - Cowcaddens) so it may well be a recent thing.
 

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In the book Circles under the Clyde, towards the end, it describes a journey round the outer circle, station to station, and it makes the point that the falling gradient between Buchanan Stret and Cowcaddens is where the trains reach their max speed of 54 Kilometres per hour (hence me saying kmph lol).

One other point, visit www.disused-stations.org.uk and go to list of stations, and click on Merkland Street. I submitted that page. It explains about the only Glasgow subway station to close, and why it closed.
 

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And, interestingly, you can see Merkland St station from the subway if you look out for it! It's just after Partick as you go towards Govan.
 
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