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Glasgow Central Buffers

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I was at the above station last week, returning from holiday and when I was moving from the platform to the main concourse to await my connection, I was looking at the hydraulic buffers at the end of each track.

It got me thinking, what is the highest speed those buffers could stop a train without causing major damage to the station?
 
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It would be a different speed for each train as it is more dependant on the force exerted by the train hitting them. The force is dependant upon both the deceleration (therefore also the impact velocity) and the mass of the train so as I said, the train itself is a large factor.
 

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This Raises another question. Edinburgh Waverly does not have the hydraulic buffers, just the simpler metal plate between two uprights. Is there a reason why it needs less protection or is it just down to what was normal practice when the platforms were built?

And another thought, does the loss of proper buffers on many modern trains have any impact on their ability to stop a runaway train?
 

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This Raises another question. Edinburgh Waverly does not have the hydraulic buffers, just the simpler metal plate between two uprights. Is there a reason why it needs less protection or is it just down to what was normal practice when the platforms were built?

And another thought, does the loss of proper buffers on many modern trains have any impact on their ability to stop a runaway train?

Even though most trains no longer have buffers, I would like to think that the buffers at stations are designed to stop or at the very least slow a runaway train, question is though, with modern technology, how likely is it that a train would become a runaway?
 

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Well TPWS would stop a train travelling a little too fast, but anything travelling at speed would not have enough space to be stopped, and of course a brake failure like in the Largs crash would render TPWS ineffective.
 

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I'm sure someone on here (or maybe it was another forum) was saying not so long ago that the preferred way of stopping runaways now is with a traditional non-hydraulic buffer but with slide plates and HSFG (high strength friction gripping) bolts attached through the rails.. apparently they are supposed to stop trains more gently than hydraulics, and don't 'ping back'.

It's surprising how devastating a low speed crash can be if the deceleration is near instantaneous. I know someone who broke their wrist in a 5mph accident in a petrol station from driving into a bollard!
 

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The two types of energy absorbing buffer stop. One type is the previously mentioned hydralic buffers. The other type uses friction as they slide along the rails. AFAIK all buffer stops at termini or bays used by passenger trains must be energy absorbing. The ability to stop a train without damage to the train or injury to the passengers varies depending on the speed of the train, it's weight and also the design of the buffers. Modern installations are always friction type (take the ones at St Pancras for example).

As far as the actual trains go, the buffers on trains provide very little energy absobtion. They are designed to absorb the slight energy when buffering up at very low speed, or as vehicles bump together on loose coupled trains. Buckeyes, Dellners and other automatic or semi automatic couplers also have the ability to absorb energy, infact modern couplings have a two stage system, the first being able to absorb minor forced when coupling up, the second designed to give way in the event of a collision so the coupler will absorb some impact and then transfer the impact to the main body of the train which will be provided with anti-climb devices (the corrugated effect seen on some types, on other types they are behind fibreglass coverings that would themselves be destroyed in a collision. They are also seen on many buffer stops).

As for speeds, I think modern buffer stops are designed to stop a train with minimal damage to the train and minimal risk to passengers at about 10mph (probably a factor in that being the speed TPWS is set at approaching buffer stops). Particularly on trains (or buses) where passengers can be standing (especially approaching stations, where buffer stop collisions occur), a sudden stop from every very low speed has a high risk of injury. A person falling from standing is at a reasonable risk of serious head injury, even fatal, not to mention broken hands or arms, and in the elderly broken hips. A sudden stop that displaces luggage or other heavy or dangerous items can also cause injury, possibly serious. There was an incident fairly recently on a bus where the driver had to brake hard and a passenger who was walking down the bus fell and banged their head, sustaining fatal head injury.
 
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As a point of historical interest, the old buffer stops at St Pancras station were used as pumps, to pump water into the water header tanks in the roof of the station hotel.

Accordingly the drivers of incoming trains were instructed to gently run onto, and compress the buffer stops as they came to a stand.
 

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I did notice today that at Norwich the buffers appear to bear a striking resemblance to Class 47 buffers! Been there loads of times and never noticed them for some reason.
 
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