Ghost Trains

[Mojo]

Jeremy Vine will be talking about parliamentary trains some time on his show the afternoon (now until 2pm). It's on BBC Radio 2.
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It's on now.

 

[pappleby]

in case you missed,thought you might like to hear this discussion on 'ghost trains'-http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b0186wvx on the 'Jeremy Vine Show,today ,Radio2

 

[Chew Chew]

Starts 34 minutes in.

 

[YorkshireBear]

anything interesting said?

 

[dk1]

Thought the Chiltern boss came over very well. Why did the Reddish or Denton guy keep going on about a through Manchester service?

 

[tbtc]

Is this related to the article in the Independent a day or two ago? That was a real wasted opportunity, I was annoyed at the lack of understanding in that...

 

[t_star2001uk]

The ' Chiltern Boss' is actually the marketing director.

 

[bb21]

Did they refer to MYB as Mary.le.bone?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Why did the Reddish or Denton guy keep going on about a through Manchester service?

I think that this is seen as a reason to keep it in existance.

 

[Mojo]

Did they refer to MYB as Mary.le.bone?

Yes, much to my annoyance! I was shouting at the radio!

 

[Bungle73]

Who says that's not the correct pronunciation? I also say "Mary le bone".

 

[Mojo]

As a former resident of East Marylebone & Fitzrovia, I can assure that the pronunciation is either Marleybone (as announced on the Bakerloo line), or the pronunciation as shown on Wikipedia (as announced on London buses).

 

[Bungle73]

As a former resident of East Marylebone & Fitzrovia, I can assure that the pronunciation is either Marleybone (as announced on the Bakerloo line), or the pronunciation as shown on Wikipedia (as announced on London buses).

Ah, Wikipedia, that well known source of 100% accurate information. How do you know that's the correct pronunciation? The name is a corruption of "St. Mary by the Bourne", hence "Mary le bone". How do you get "Marlebone" from that?

 

[Mojo]

Ah, Wikipedia, that well known source of 100% accurate information. How do you know that's the correct pronunciation? The name is a corruption of "St. Mary by the Bourne", hence...

As I say, I used to live in this area and nobody called it Marrylebone or any other elongated form, except those not from the area (mainly American tourists). My family is from London going back many generations and none of them know it by any other name. Announcements on public transport refer to it as Marleybone or Marilibun and it has existed on Wikipedia with no corrections for a number of years. If you wish to keep pronouncing it wrong despite a local telling you the correct pronunciation, then feel free, but don't come complaining to me when someone laughs at it (of course I am not that rude to do such a thing, however I did witness it at a bus stop once).

"Mary le bone". How do you get "Marlebone" from that?

Presumably the same way you get to the pronunciation of Slaithwaite, Slough and Grosmont. Given the tendencies of cockneys to drop letters from words, it's not at all surprising that the 'y' disappeared over time.

 

[Bungle73]

As I say, I used to live in this area and nobody called it Marrylebone or any other elongated form, except those not from the area (mainly American tourists). My family is from London going back many generations and none of them know it by any other name. Announcements on public transport refer to it as Marleybone or Marlibun

Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9lSilM2g5o

I'm from London too.

Presumably the same way you get to the pronunciation of Slaithwaite, Slough and Grosmont. Given the tendencies of cockneys to drop letters from words, it's not at all surprising that the 'y' disappeared over time.

I don't think you'll find many Cockneys in Marylebone.

 

[Mojo]

Really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9lSilM2g5o

Exactly. Marilibun, not Marry-le-bone.

 

[Bungle73]

Exactly. Marilibun, not Marry-le-bone.

"Exactly"? She said "Marylebone"; you keep insisting it should be "Marlybone".

 

[Mojo]

"Exactly"? She said "Marylebone"; you keep insisting it should be "Marlybone".

No I didn't. I said in both post #12 and #14 there are two alternative pronunciations.

 

[Bungle73]

No I didn't. I said in both post #12 and #14 there are two alternative pronunciations.

Neither of which is what was said by that bus announcement, and a ton of other people.

 

[Mojo]

Neither of which is what was said by that bus announcement, and a ton of other people.

What?!?! Seriously confused now; the announcer on the bus is one of the examples I gave as an accurate pronunciation

Off-topic, although of course, let's not forget announcements can be wrong (although not in this case), for the old C stock announcements incorrectly pronounced Plaistow for a number of years.

This is about the radio programme, where they kept saying Marry-le-bone, which is an incorrect pronunciation.

 

[yorkie]

I used to live in London, and everyone pronounced it "Marleybone" as far as I can recall.

Leicester is pronounced Lester, and Slaithwaite is pronounced Slawit.

 

[Bungle73]

What?!?! Seriously confused now; the announcer on the bus is one of the examples I gave as an accurate pronunciation

Hearing problems? She clearly says "Marylebone", which you keep insisting is incorrect.

I used to live in London, and everyone called it "Marleybone".

"Everyone" pronounces "consumer" and "assume" as if they've got "sh" in them too.........

 

[WestCoast]

"Everyone" pronounces "consumer" and "assume" as if they've got "sh" in them too.........

As someone who has dabbled with teaching English as a foreign language, our language isn't exactly known for 'logical' pronunciations based on spelling.

 

[jon0844]

Yes, I mean nobody would realise that Slough is actually pronounced 'sh-it-whole'...

 

[yorkie]

Yes, I mean nobody would realise that Slough is actually pronounced 'sh-it-whole'...

Slough & Brough are only one letter different yet prounced very differently! Then you have Wressle and Hessle, both end in essle and are very near each other (on the Selby <> Hull line) yet again, pounced differently.

 

[12CSVT]

Slough & Brough are only one letter different yet prounced very differently! Then you have Wressle and Hessle, both end in essle and are very near each other (on the Selby <> Hull line) yet again, pounced differently.

I could also add Gillingham (Dorset) and Gillingham (Kent) spelt the same but pronounced differently, likewise Leigh (Lancashire) and Leigh (Kent).

 

[AlterEgo]

There's also Woughton in Milton Keynes, which is inexplicably pronounced "Woofton".

I know a few Chiltern staff, who all say "Marlebone" or "Marilibun". I pronounce it "Marilibun" too. "Mary-le-bone" is a literal pronunciation, and what I'd expect from an American tourist not well adjusted to our wonderfully quaint style of living.

 

[Bungle73]

Lucy Worsley, Cheif Curator at Historic Royal Palaces, seems to think it's pronounced "marylebone".