Getting extensions on Oyster

[Waddon]

I saw a woman leap off my London to Horsham train at Coulsdon South today (last Oyster station out of London on that route) to touch out and then leap back on board before the doors shut, then attempt to buy a single from the guard to travel to the next stop, Merstham. Is this leaping off the train and back on thing the only way to do it if you are using Oyster and then going out of London?

 

[yorkie]

If using Pay As You Go (PAYG), yes, you must touch in/out. If using a Travelcard then no she would not have to do that.

It's not a question of 'using Oyster' it's a question of using PAYG, because with PAYG if you do not touch out you are charged a 'maximum cash fare'!

 

[MikeWh]

If using Pay As You Go (PAYG), yes, you must touch in/out. If using a Travelcard then no she would not have to do that.

It's not a question of 'using Oyster' it's a question of using PAYG, because with PAYG if you do not touch out you are charged a 'maximum cash fare'!

That's a good one. I wonder where she started her journey. If it was at the London terminal (or later) then fair enough, but if she'd started with a tube to get to the terminal then she's wasted her energy as that is the maximum fare that would be charged. However, you do need to jump out and touch in when doing the journey in reverse because you might get penalty fared for not having a validated Oyster card.

 

[button_boxer]

That's a good one. I wonder where she started her journey. If it was at the London terminal (or later) then fair enough, but if she'd started with a tube to get to the terminal then she's wasted her energy as that is the maximum fare that would be charged.

But uncompleted journeys don't count towards any price cap so she'd still have to touch out if she's made any other PAYG journeys earlier in the day.

 

[MikeWh]

True.

 

[HST Power]

I saw a woman leap off my London to Horsham train at Coulsdon South today (last Oyster station out of London on that route) to touch out and then leap back on board before the doors shut, then attempt to buy a single from the guard to travel to the next stop, Merstham. Is this leaping off the train and back on thing the only way to do it if you are using Oyster and then going out of London?

Sounds crazy to me!

 

[island]

I wonder what the guard did, given that she ought to have bought a ticket before boarding!

 

[HST Power]

I wonder what the guard did, given that she ought to have bought a ticket before boarding!

They'll let you off on FCC trains a majority of the time. I don't know about London, but this whole 'jump in, jump out' business sounds crazy! Who on earth comes up with these ideas?

 

[RJ]

They'll let you off on FCC trains a majority of the time. I don't know about London, but this whole 'jump in, jump out' business sounds crazy! Who on earth comes up with these ideas?

I've done it in the past at St Mary Cray when I want to go to Swanley - however there was usually another train two minutes behind the one I got off. It's one of the few cases when your knowledge of stop markers/train lengths comes in handy.

 

[HST Power]

I've done it in the past at St Mary Cray when I want to go to Swanley - however there was usually another train two minutes behind the one I got off. It's one of the few cases when your knowledge of stop markers/train lengths comes in handy.

This may sound a bit sad (and lazy) but I do have a habbit of trying to get in the carriage that will come closest to the steps when the train pulls into the station! I've got it right about one time!

 

[londonbridge]

When I used to take the tram to Wimbledon as part of my commute I quickly learnt where to stand/sit in order to be right by the exit stairs when I got off as the platform always got way too overcrowded and it could take over five minutes to get off the platform,up the stairs and across to the train platform I needed. It was even worse if an FCC train was at platform 9 when the tram arrived.

 

[CheapAndNerdy]

I've done it at Feltham - ticket to open the gates and then Oyster to get back in. Only just made it back on as the doors were closing because I wasn't in the coach closest to the gates.

 

[HST Power]

When I used to take the tram to Wimbledon as part of my commute I quickly learnt where to stand/sit in order to be right by the exit stairs when I got off as the platform always got way too overcrowded and it could take over five minutes to get off the platform,up the stairs and across to the train platform I needed. It was even worse if an FCC train was at platform 9 when the tram arrived.

It's the same for me. I take a slow train to Stevenage and then get on a service that goes directly to my stop. Unfortunately, it comes straight from London Kings Cross and getting off it and up the stairs can be a challenge!

 

[bb21]

But uncompleted journeys don't count towards any price cap so she'd still have to touch out if she's made any other PAYG journeys earlier in the day.

I'm still struggling to see the rationale behind this. Given that it is the maximum charge for a journey, why should it not count towards the daily cap? That, together with the harmonisation of TfL / NR fares should see the need to jump on / off train go, at least for journeys out of the zones.

On a side note, found out the other day that the maximum fare is also railcard-discounted. Got a Code 21/22 (either, can't remember which one) error upon entry at Waterloo. Didn't pay much attention to it as had a few of those before and never encountered any problem. This time though got hit with a £2.90 maximum fare upon exit at King's X St P. The guy at the ticket window told me it wasn't registered at Waterloo. He very reluctantly rescinded the charges when I showed him my AP ticket into Waterloo confirming that I was telling the truth.

 

[island]

I suppose one reason is because you might have hit the zone 1-2 daily cap but they have no way of knowing where your incomplete/unstaffed journey ended/began.

 

[HST Power]

I suppose one reason is because you might have hit the zone 1-2 daily cap but they have no way of knowing where your incomplete/unstaffed journey ended/began.

That is correct. It's happened to me too.

 

[island]

Got a Code 21/22 (either, can't remember which one) error upon entry at Waterloo.

FYI Code 21 is double entry and code 22 is double exit.

 

[bb21]

I suppose one reason is because you might have hit the zone 1-2 daily cap but they have no way of knowing where your incomplete/unstaffed journey ended/began.

But can they not at least cap at the highest rate?

FYI Code 21 is double entry and code 22 is double exit.

Must be 21 then as I probably tapped in twice in quick succession on entry.

 

[island]

But can they not at least cap at the highest rate?

Which is £19, so I think you're still under the cap unless you're in the habit of making multiple unstarted/uncompleted journeys a day

 

[MikeWh]

I'm still struggling to see the rationale behind this. Given that it is the maximum charge for a journey, why should it not count towards the daily cap?

Because it's charged as a penalty for not following the rules, ie touching in at the start and out at the end. If you've only gone a couple of stops then it's a pretty steep penalty anyway, but if you're doing the maximum they need some stick to bash you with.

 

[bb21]

Because it's charged as a penalty for not following the rules.

Punishment for punishment's sake? If the maximum is charged then what loss has the transport operator/authority suffered? :-?