General Election 2017: The Results and Aftermath

[Busaholic]

I think it's fair to say nobody really won this election.
Conservative - Teresa May only has herself to blame, somehow I doubt she will be soming out with her "strong and stable" phrase much in the future.
Labour - Did much better than predicted, but still got more than 60 less seats than the Tories. Corbyn reckons they are the winner though - really!?
SNP - Lost over a third of its seats, Salmond gone.
UKIP - Nuttall has resigned.
Lib Dem - Nick Clegg voted out.

What all this shows is we have a divided Britain. I can't see May taking the Tories into the next election, whenever that may be.

I agree that nobody really won it, but I'd say with certainty that only one person really lost it.

 

[AlterEgo]

Expert on BBC said May is heading into dangerous territory by working with DUP as instead of Westminster being a mediator between two opposing sides they will be seen as favouring one side. He said worse case scenario is NI is set back 20 years. He also claimed John Major ruled out trying to get support from the DUP as he understood the consequences while May is ignorant towards them.

No, May is not dragging NI back 20 years but is in fact advancing it - at least 20 years - towards a United Ireland.

There's a lot of fancy talk about the possibility of armed conflict once more in NI but the political and social conditions for it do not exist (not to mention that NI is a securocracy which has dissident violence well and truly held down with a little finger).

 

[NorthernSpirit]

I'm guessing that your other nephew would probably have your Brazilian mate deported fairly swiftly, as well as having a sizable proportion of the population locked up for breaching the fun laws.

The thing is, is that both my nephew and my Brazilian mate actually get on extremely well with each other as both have similar political views and she's married to one of my mates, who is also a UKIP supporter.

She's qualified in various subjects and has the skills that this country needs, she is also well prepaired to rely on herself as she flatly refuses to use any Government service for help apart from the NHS in which she is willing to pay to use in case of emergencies and check up's such as dentist and doctors. If something was offered to her for free, she'd rather pay for it.

 

[Cowley]

Ah, the leader of the DUP.

"Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics!"

Very good.

"In our house Nathanial sits on a spike",
"Oh. Where do you sit?"
"I sit on Nathanial!"

 

[Chester1]

Labour supporters today remind me of their reaction in 2010. They thought denying the Tories a majority was a victory but it resulted in 5 years of Tory led government. I think once thinks settle down over the next month or so people will realise that neither the DUP or the Lib Dems will vote to bring down the government if the Tories sort themselves out and compromise. As I have said a Labour government under Corbyn would be a disaster for Northern Irish Unionism. The Lib Dems lost 5 of their 9 seats (componsating by winning 8 elsewhere) so their MPs wont want to risk their jobs, they don't have the money to fight a General Election for a while and they are well placed to gain conncessions on a wide range of policy areas. Crucially they can provide the Tories with a majority in both the House of Commons and Lords when they wish to do so. If the Tories decide to support a soft Brexit transitional deal through to 2022 (the European Parliament set limit for any transitional deal) then they can stay in power until a year or so before a transitional deal expires.

 

[HSTEd]

The lib dems have only just started to recover from the last time they jumped into bed with the Conservative Party.

Do you really think they would dare do it again?
They really would be annihilated.

 

[jon0844]

The lib dems have only just started to recover from the last time they jumped into bed with the Conservative Party.

Do you really think they would dare do it again?
They really would be annihilated.

I just don't get why people punished the LibDems. I thought the coalition was good and kept the Tories on a leash, and the LibDems did do many good things - like the increased tax allowance.

But because of the student fees they've been painted as the devil. Far worse things have happened since, and the Tories went too far to the right and Labour - well you couldn't much further to the left.

So we'll continue to ping pong between the two, as Labour will win one day before it all goes wrong and we swap back, and I'll wonder why we can't find something in the middle.

 

[Chester1]

The lib dems have only just started to recover from the last time they jumped into bed with the Conservative Party.

Do you really think they would dare do it again?
They really would be annihilated.

A coalition? No definitely not for the reasons you stated. Deciding to abstain in a vote of no confidence in the government? Yes, especially if they think there is no appetite for another general election. Abstaining is litterally all they need to do for the Tories to stay in government. I think people forget that the Liberal Democrats lost most of their left wing support and are much more moderate. People who cant support any informal deals with the Tories ever, did not vote Lib Dem in 2015 or this week. I am a Liberal Democrat Party member. We are not keen on the Tories but not totally against them either.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

The interesting thing will be if this minority government and or May last long enough to conclude the Brexit talks. I think we're talking months, rather than years, that May has left as Prime Minister. She hasn't endeared herself to her colleagues and I think she's potentially angered even more voters by turning to the DUP for support.

I wonder if a new election will get called once everything to do with Brexit has been completed. btw with the Fixed Parliaments Act (or whatever it's called) General Elections are meant to be every 5 years so will the next one be in 2020 or will the clock have been "reset" and the next one be in 2022?

That's really not a good thing.

There's been the mention of "The Great Repeal Act" to transfer all the EU laws into UK laws. Once that's happened there must be hundreds of laws that will need either amending or scrapping.

The lib dems have only just started to recover from the last time they jumped into bed with the Conservative Party.

Do you really think they would dare do it again?
They really would be annihilated.

It was mentioned somewhere that for Labour to have formed a government they would have needed the support of absolutely all the non-conservatives to get the required majority. I can't see the Lib Dems going into a coaltion with anyone, even after the next election whenever that is, after they got slaughtered in the 2015 election.

 

[Altfish]

There's been the mention of "The Great Repeal Act" to transfer all the EU laws into UK laws. Once that's happened there must be hundreds of laws that will need either amending or scrapping.

I've heard this said numerous times. But no one yet has told me which 'hundreds' of laws these are.
Does anyone have a list? Or is it like the £350m/week for the NHS - a pure fantasy.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I agree that nobody really won it, but I'd say with certainty that only one person really lost it.

If you are referring to the leader of a party who actually recorded the worst total seat loss, you can only be referring to Nicola Sturgeon of the Scottish National Party whose insistence on a second referendum most certainly was a major reason for this occurrence that saw them lose no less than 21 of their seats.

The Conservative Party only lost a net total of 12 seats.

 

[Senex]

The lib dems have only just started to recover from the last time they jumped into bed with the Conservative Party.

Do you really think they would dare do it again?
They really would be annihilated.

No, of course they wouldn't dare after last time's experience. And this is a great pity, as they would be a far better moderating force on a hugely weakened Tory party than the DUP is likely to be -- and the LibDems are a party of Great Britain, whereas the DUP are Northern Irish only (and after much more English money to subsidise their statelet).

But despite the centre-sounding name, the LibDems are a left-wing party for the most part and their support base is strongly leftish, which is a major part of why the last deal with the Tories went so badly wrong for them.

 

[Senex]

I agree that nobody really won it, but I'd say with certainty that only one person really lost it.

She certainly did! She tried to run a cult-of-personality, presidential-style, election focused on her rather than sharing the limelight with her party, her cabinet colleagues, and her candidates, but she was unwilling to put herself out and about amongst the general populace, choosing instead to talk only to groups of supporters and to avoid journalists as far as possible. And she must take responsibility for a disastrous manifesto that attacked the interests of her core supporters, even if it was compiled by a small clique of people (and when shall we know all their names?), as she was the leader who authorised its issue. And if she wanted a snap election, she should have gone for the minimum time possible, not given seven weeks for a tedious campaign to run. It was all hers to lose, and she lost it.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

According to the SNP though they won the election. What the nippy sweetie doesn't realise that this was a UK election and not a Scottish election. The SNP vote collapsed and she still refuses to accept that.

Glad to see the Tory candidate Luke Graham ousting Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh in Ochil and South Perthshire. She wasn't liked very much in Crieff and the surrounding area after she closed the Crieff surgery office when she won and moved it to Alloa.

 

[Dave1987]

If you are referring to the leader of a party who actually recorded the worst total seat loss, you can only be referring to Nicola Sturgeon of the Scottish National Party whose insistence on a second referendum most certainly was a major reason for this occurrence that saw them lose no less than 21 of their seats.

The Conservative Party only lost a net total of 12 seats.

Paul you party had a majority before May called the election! May called the election in a vain attempt to increase that majority and ended up losing seats. You can attempt to spin it all you want but your parties overall aim failed. If May had not called the election you would still have a majority simple as.

May lead a disastrous campaign and she won't last as PM.

 

[90sWereBetter]

According to the SNP though they won the election. What the nippy sweetie doesn't realise that this was a UK election and not a Scottish election. The SNP vote collapsed and she still refuses to accept that.

Glad to see the Tory candidate Luke Graham ousting Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh in Ochil and South Perthshire. She wasn't liked very much in Crieff and the surrounding area after she closed the Crieff surgery office when she won and moved it to Alloa.

I've seen SNP members blaming Scottish Labour for the Tories winning seats in Scotland, which makes very little sense.

Kezia Dugdale gets a ton of grief, but she's obviously done a good job to turn things around for Scottish Labour, given they looked in terminal decline only a few months ago.

 

[Y961 XBU]

The tories have lost 13 seats in total now witch is a good thing but is there any results people was happy or surprised at? I was happy to see Nick Clegg lose his seat and i am surprised that Tim Farrons majority was cut to 777 as i thought he would be liked

 

[Dave1987]

No, of course they wouldn't dare after last time's experience. And this is a great pity, as they would be a far better moderating force on a hugely weakened Tory party than the DUP is likely to be -- and the LibDems are a party of Great Britain, whereas the DUP are Northern Irish only (and after much more English money to subsidise their statelet).

But despite the centre-sounding name, the LibDems are a left-wing party for the most part and their support base is strongly leftish, which is a major part of why the last deal with the Tories went so badly wrong for them.

It is a great shame the Lib Dems got burned so badly in the 2010 coalition. They would be perfect for reigning in May and her extremist.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

I've seen SNP members blaming Scottish Labour for the Tories winning seats in Scotland, which makes very little sense.

Kezia Dugdale gets a ton of grief, but she's obviously done a good job to turn things around for Scottish Labour.

And Nicola Sturgeon is still shouting about trying to keep the 'Toaries' out of office. She just won't accept that people in Scotland, myself included voted Conservative.

The manifesto for the Scottish Conservatives and the UK party was completely different. At least Sturgeon sort of admitted that IndyRef2 was the reason people changed their vote. Hope she finally gets the message.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

If the DUP go into coalition, could we possibly see Deputy Prime Minister Nigel Dodds? If Ian Paisley was still around today, I wonder what he would have made of it all...

 

[90sWereBetter]

The tories have lost 13 seats in total now witch is a good thing but is there any results people was happy or surprised at? I was happy to see Nick Clegg lose his seat and i am surprised that Tim Farrons majority was cut to 777 as i thought he would be liked

Kensington and Canterbury were the big surprises to me, as was Barrow-in-Furness, which I thought was a gold-plated Tory gain regardless of anything Labour did.

A bit of a shame Mhairi Black kept her seat. I must be the only person on the left wing who can't understand why people like her, she comes across as very rude to me.

 

[northwichcat]

Just a caveat, I read on the Guardian site that the Tory candidate in Kensington & Chelsea said that the fight will be resumed tomorrow; whether this means yet another recount or legal action I don't know.

Reportedly the Returning Officer had already decided Labour had won yesterday morning but the Tories demanded more recounts as they didn't believe it.

 

[northwichcat]

If the DUP go into coalition, could we possibly see Deputy Prime Minister Nigel Dodds? If Ian Paisley was still around today, I wonder what he would have made of it all...

No as the DUP don't want to go in to a formal coalition. Remember the Tories have 12 more seats than they had in 2010 and the DUP have 46 fewer seats than the Lib Dems had in 2010.

 

[northwichcat]

No, May is not dragging NI back 20 years but is in fact advancing it - at least 20 years - towards a United Ireland.

There's a lot of fancy talk about the possibility of armed conflict once more in NI but the political and social conditions for it do not exist (not to mention that NI is a securocracy which has dissident violence well and truly held down with a little finger).

I really doubt a united Ireland would happen peacefully. I'm implying NI leaving the UK would be anything like Croatia leaving Yugoslavia in the 90s but I can't see it happening without some protests, which could turn violent. Then what do you do? Put the army on the streets to control order and potentially make it worse or do nothing and let it get worse.

 

[northwichcat]

I think it's fair to say nobody really won this election.
Conservative - Teresa May only has herself to blame, somehow I doubt she will be soming out with her "strong and stable" phrase much in the future.
Labour - Did much better than predicted, but still got more than 60 less seats than the Tories. Corbyn reckons they are the winner though - really!?
SNP - Lost over a third of its seats, Salmond gone.
UKIP - Nuttall has resigned.
Lib Dem - Nick Clegg voted out.

What all this shows is we have a divided Britain. I can't see May taking the Tories into the next election, whenever that may be.

With the SNP it's also significant that Robertson (Deputy Leader and Leader of the SNP in Westminster) has gone.

 

[northwichcat]

It is a great shame the Lib Dems got burned so badly in the 2010 coalition. They would be perfect for reigning in May and her extremist.

It seems Labour voters who would have voted Lib Dem in 2010 to keep out a Conservative are no longer doing that. I can understand that in seats like Sheffield Hallam and Leeds North West where the Labour candidates had a realistic chance of winning the seat. However, in seats like Southport, Cheadle, Hazel Grove and Richmond Park they've let Conservatives get in by doing that, in the case of Richmond Park only 46 more votes for the Lib Dem candidate would have prevented Zac Goldsmith getting back in the House of Commons.

 

[313103]

It seems Labour voters who would have voted Lib Dem in 2010 to keep out a Conservative are no longer doing that. I can understand that in seats like Sheffield Hallam and Leeds North West where the Labour candidates had a realistic chance of winning the seat. However, in seats like Southport, Cheadle, Hazel Grove and Richmond Park they've let Conservatives get in by doing that, in the case of Richmond Park only 46 more votes for the Lib Dem candidate would have prevented Zac Goldsmith getting back in the House of Commons.

Mind you the same could be said of the Lib dems. Take Hastings Amber Rudd got in by just three hundred votes, if the Lib dems supportors had supported Labour Amber Rudd would of been ousted.

 

[Y961 XBU]

Kensington and Canterbury were the big surprises to me, as was Barrow-in-Furness, which I thought was a gold-plated Tory gain regardless of anything Labour did.

A bit of a shame Mhairi Black kept her seat. I must be the only person on the left wing who can't understand why people like her, she comes across as very rude to me.

I dont mind Mhairi Black, i think she is a strong speaker and SNPs strongest Asset in Westminster, I would give her the job of leader of the SNP in Westminster since the other fella lost his seat

 

[northwichcat]

Mind you the same could be said of the Lib dems. Take Hastings Amber Rudd got in by just three hundred votes, if the Lib dems supportors had supported Labour Amber Rudd would of been ousted.

There's a lot more seats that Labour could have won than the Lib Dems could have won and in the North West it does seem to be the case that Labour have taken most of the marginals at the same time as the Lib Dems have lost votes in those marginals.

 

[northwichcat]

i am surprised that Tim Farrons majority was cut to 777 as i thought he would be liked

In 2001 when the Tories won Westmorland & Lonsdale Labour got 5,234 votes. In 2015 when Farron got a comfortable majority Labour got 2,661 votes. This time Labour are back up to 4,783 votes and Farron only just beats the Tory. Coincidence? That won't be the only reason though.