Trainz6013
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I've just had an article pop up on my phone from Rail Magazine, stating that GBRF have bought the 60s from Beacon Rail
What exactly is the difference between "standing down" and withdrawing locomotives?They have not been withdrawn or moved into a stored pool.
Well that has to be positive, surely they wouldn't bother spending money on them just to let them rot???I've just had an article pop up on my phone from Rail Magazine, stating that GBRF have bought the 60s from Beacon Rail
I'd say standing down is temporary whereas withdrawing is permanent.What exactly is the difference between "standing down" and withdrawing locomotives?
See the Class 69 thread.Also, semi-relevant, what’s the state of the 69s at the moment? I’d heard a rumour that half have been stored and the rest are reduced to shunting duties?
So do we know why they’ve bought the 60s when the rumours were they were all to be withdrawn or stored?
Thank you very much @Adrian Barr, ill have to head down that way and have a lookI think it's probably just for financial / accounting / contractual reasons. The locos were originally sold by GBRF to Beacon Rail in 2018 and then leased back from them, so this is a reversal of that. The original arrangement is described as a "long-term leaseback" so GBRF were probably committed to leasing them until a certain date, and it may have worked out cheaper to buy unused locos than continue to pay the leasing costs, depending how the contract was set up. I think I read something to that effect, either a post on Railforums or a YouTube comment, and it seems a plausible reason for buying the locos and then storing them straight away.
Photo of six 60s lined up at Doncaster Down Decoy (north siding of the old mail terminal) on Jan 25th:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shaledodger46/55066077897/ (Photo: John Mackay)
I assume they are still there at the time of this post, although I haven't been down to look. The photo is taken from the bridge on White Rose Way (a short walk from the "Lakeside Village" shopping outlet) if anyone is interested in viewing them.
You’ve posted in the GBRf Class 60 thread. But the article that you’ve attached doesn’t suggest that Land Recovery is intending to purchase any GBRf locomotives.An article in Railways Illustrated is saying the listed Class 60s may well be going to Land Recovery who could now be wanting to form there own Freight Operating Company.
It may have been posted to the wrong thread, but it's got me thinking something. Could GBRf have bought the 60s so that Land Recovery couldn't lease or buy them themselves from Beacon? The last thing GBRf will want is a new competitor to come in and take a load of contracts. If buying the 10 60s prevents LR from using them and slows the business setting up, it might be money well spent for GBRf.You’ve posted in the GBRf Class 60 thread. But the article that you’ve attached doesn’t suggest that Land Recovery is intending to purchase any GBRf locomotives.
But isn't Land Recovery already set up, and using locos from the likes of Colas Rail.It may have been posted to the wrong thread, but it's got me thinking something. Could GBRf have bought the 60s so that Land Recovery couldn't lease or buy them themselves from Beacon? The last thing GBRf will want is a new competitor to come in and take a load of contracts. If buying the 10 60s prevents LR from using them and slows the business setting up, it might be money well spent for GBRf.
Fair point but it could still have a knock on impact. Quote from the article pictured in post #71:But isn't Land Recovery already set up, and using locos from the likes of Colas Rail.
If GBRf are doing some work for them at present, then presumably, those contracts will go if LR set up fully.LR has been using Colas and GBRf to haul its trains of aggregates but is understood to be looking at possibly either operating its own trains or at least providing its own locomotives.
“If” being the operative word. They may not be going to become a full operator and instead are buying traction for an existing FOC to operate, much like Mendip Rail operation before DB lost the contract.Fair point but it could still have a knock on impact. Quote from the article pictured in post #71:
If GBRf are doing some work for them at present, then presumably, those contracts will go if LR set up fully.
Thanks, I literally searched the forum for the thread title 'Class 69' and all it gave me was one that was no longer open for replies... Appreciate you linking that!
Indeed they do, near Alsager.Don't Land Recovery already have a bunch of 60s awaiting overhaul stored in a quarry somewhere?
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Thanks, I literally searched the forum for the thread title 'Class 69' and all it gave me was one that was no longer open for replies... Appreciate you linking that!
Yes, in the list I posted this afternoon it shows all 7 are at Donny. Only 5 are showing as (S) stored tho, not all 7It appears that 60026 has joined some of the others at Doncaster
I completely missed that lol... Seems strange that 096 has came back out of storageYes, in the list I posted this afternoon it shows all 7 are at Donny. Only 5 are showing as (S) stored tho, not all 7
Dan
Especially when you realise it's blocked in by other 60's are still in store! Will be a bit of a faff getting it out (if they actually plan on using it).I completely missed that lol... Seems strange that 096 has came back out of storage

Not so sure about this - at least most of these are in working order and do not require an expensive overhaul - perhaps this will short-circuit other people's plans - there is a ready-made fully operational fleet going, just for the bidding !Interesting development.
Given DB's apparent lack of success at shifting their 60's, aligned with DCR's commitment to re-engineering their own 60's, I can't see that there will be many takers?