Gas bills

[Ferret]

It comes back to one word for me - Greed.

 

[HST Power]

What a load of bo**ocks - kin Tories :roll:

We a re bieng ripped off and it is a disgrace. And people still vote for those Juan Kers. The havent even got the decency to apologise for the mistakes they made!

And did you ever find a politician who did apologise for mistakes they made?

Furthermore, judging by the recent results from the UK Council elections, those 'Juan Kers' are actually doing rather well.

Do you honestly think it would be any different had Labour or the Lib Dems gone into power as one party?


And I've just realised, didn't I say that this thread should avoid this route (see page one)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I would say this is something which benefits everyone so the government should pay for it but if you rely on the private sector then it will be the customers that will have to pay through higher bills.

Where do you think the Government will get their money from to do as you say?.....or do you assume that the Government has a secret source of capital obtained at 0% interest which will never need repaying so that will mean no burden will ever fall on the taxpayer? Have you ever read "Animal Farm"?

Your suggestion was never heard to come from 11 Downing Street in the many years when Gordon Brown was Chancellor, running his prudent financial policies. I do not recall many in the Labour party when in government, making a promise similar to what you have stated here.

Would you have made your comment had there been a Labour government in power at this time....or would the silence be deafening?

 

[Zoe]

Your suggestion was never heard to come from 11 Downing Street in the many years when Gordon Brown was Chancellor, running his prudent financial policies. I do not recall many in the Labour party when in government, making a promise similar to what you have stated here.

Would you have made your comment had there been a Labour government in power at this time....or would the silence be deafening?

New Labour have abandoned socialism so it's not surprising that they like the Tories support the private sector.

 

[DarloRich]

And did you ever find a politician who did apologise for mistakes they made?

Furthermore, judging by the recent results from the UK Council elections, those 'Juan Kers' are actually doing rather well.

Do you honestly think it would be any different had Labour or the Lib Dems gone into power as one party?


And I've just realised, didn't I say that this thread should avoid this route (see page one)

slightly (only slightly) yes - and why any one votes for conservatives is beyond me

beyond a political point i do think something will have to happen soon on fuel prices or there will be serious problems for people. I dont use my car now for anything other than essential travel, i cant afford to! Gas, Electric and water are essentials but more and more of your wage is going on keeping the lights on. When does the point come that people cant?

 

[ainsworth74]

New Labour have abandoned socialism so it's not surprising that they like the Tories support the private sector.

I like the way you side step the question of where the money will come from...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

New Labour have abandoned socialism so it's not surprising that they like the Tories support the private sector.

The great thing about democracy is that you and I can say what we believe. We can criticise each other for the remarks we make, but all least, we are free to do so.

I note your comment concerning New Labour, but a close reading of the seats gained by each political party does not appear to show a "socialist" party as having many seats in which their votes in debates in the House would influence matters at this present time. I did think that I heard the current leader of the Labour party say that New Labour was not the way that he saw the party under his leadership.

We should be grateful that we do not live in the DR of Congo, Syria, Iran, etc.

 

[DarloRich]

The great thing about democracy is that you and I can say what we believe. We can criticise each other for the remarks we make, but all least, we are free to do so.

I note your comment concerning New Labour, but a close reading of the seats gained by each political party does not appear to show a "socialist" party as having many seats in which their votes in debates in the House would influence matters at this present time. I did think that I heard the current leader of the Labour party say that New Labour was not the way that he saw the party under his leadership.

We should be grateful that we do not live in the DR of Congo, Syria, Iran, etc.

Well they have lots of oil and gas in Iran so bills might be cheaper!

 

[Zoe]

I like the way you side step the question of where the money will come from...

Where do you think money came from before privatization? Investment still had to be made back then.
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I did think that I heard the current leader of the Labour party say that New Labour was not the way that he saw the party under his leadership.

That may be the case but they don't seem to be wanting to go socialist again.
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I note your comment concerning New Labour, but a close reading of the seats gained by each political party does not appear to show a "socialist" party as having many seats in which their votes in debates in the House would influence matters at this present time.

Well it's clear that people voted to continue the current free market policies so the people that voted Tory shouldn't be complaining about private companies wanting to make as much money is possibe. When Labour abandoned socialism though it left no major party for socialists to vote for.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

That may be the case but they don't seem to be wanting to go socialist again. When Labour abandoned socialism though it left no major party for socialists to vote for.

Do you think that their members of Parliament's personal interests have overcome their "1920's firebrand" political thinking, coupled with the actual numbers who have voted for any socialist party since the mid 1980's.

On a more jovial point, I thought that we were on the "lines that should be four track" thread (which I do note that it was you who set off the opening thread upon) for a moment.

Shall the House now rise and let normal matters proceed on the thread of Gas Bills.:roll:

 

[SS4]

Furthermore, judging by the recent results from the UK Council elections, those 'Juan Kers' are actually doing rather well.

Didn't they roughly hold their position? If anything I'd say the Lib Dems lost badly rather than Labour or the Tories "winning". Ironically, they held onto their coalition in Birmingham despite Labour now having most seats (this 1/3 at a time is rubbish IMO)

Do you honestly think it would be any different had Labour or the Lib Dems gone into power as one party?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which

 

[HST Power]

slightly (only slightly) yes - and why any one votes for conservatives is beyond me

I will always vote Conservative. No matter what, I will always be a card carrying Tory. I fail to understand why anybody votes Labour, but we're going off topic now.

Didn't they roughly hold their position? If anything I'd say the Lib Dems lost badly rather than Labour or the Tories "winning". Ironically, they held onto their coalition in Birmingham despite Labour now having most seats (this 1/3 at a time is rubbish IMO)

They held their ground and gained a few seats. Yes, the Lib Dems got their backsides well and truly hammered, but from a Tory perspective, it was a damn good result, considering that the media were running about shouting how we were going to drop thousands of seats and wake up in the morning fighting for the coalition.

I've been criticised in the past for labeling Miliband a weak leader with no policies who's only political activity involves taking the mickey out of the coalition but now, people are starting to smell the coffee. He's weak. He has no idea how to run the country. Half his party are against him, and he wouldn't know decent spending cuts if they slapped him in the face and danced around shouting 'we're successful spending cuts, we're successful spending cuts.'

 

[Zoe]

I will always vote Conservative. No matter what, I will always be a card carrying Tory.

So if a new leader got elected and introduced many party policies you didn't agree with you'd still vote for them?

 

[HST Power]

So if a new leader got elected and introduced many party policies you didn't agree with you'd still vote for them?

I would have to seriously, seriously dislike the leader and his policies but if such thing did occur, I wouldn't vote. It's either the Conservatives or nobody. To some this may sound a bit ridiculous, but there's only one way I'll ever cast a vote in the near future (unless of course, what you said happens )

 

[strange6]

I would have to seriously, seriously dislike the leader and his policies but if such thing did occur, I wouldn't vote. It's either the Conservatives or nobody. To some this may sound a bit ridiculous, but there's only one way I'll ever cast a vote in the near future (unless of course, what you said happens )

I'll never vote Liarbour again for the way they have sold us down the river to Europe and for the immigration shambles

 

[SS4]

The only time I'd vote Tory is if I wanted to spend billions on war in tough financial times

 

[HST Power]

The only time I'd vote Tory is if I wanted to spend billions on war in tough financial times

I presume you mean Libya. The alternative of course is not to spend billions on war and allow yet another despot to remain in control of Africa. The men can get shot for protesting, the women can get raped for being seen with them and the children can spend their lives in a country being run by a complete madman who won't give up his power because he believes that the 50 people in Central Tripoli who actually like him represent the views of the whole country. The grass will go green, the clouds will go blue and the Libyans will wake up and run into his arms shouting 'long live Gadaffi, long live our lack of democracy.'

Don't try and pull that card. You know that any other Government would be doing the same.

 

[SS4]

I presume you mean Libya. The alternative of course is not to spend billions on war and allow yet another despot to remain in control of Africa. The men can get shot for protesting, the women can get raped for being seen with them and the children can spend their lives in a country being run by a complete madman who won't give up his power because he believes that the 50 people in Central Tripoli who actually like him represent the views of the whole country. The grass will go green, the clouds will go blue and the Libyans will wake up and run into his arms shouting 'long live Gadaffi, long live our lack of democracy.'

Don't try and pull that card. You know that any other Government would be doing the same.

That would hold water if the West had been consistently against Gadaffi's Libya, the thaw after their disarmament and admitting Lockerbie shows how two faced we've been - we had no problem dealing with him when we wanted his oil out of the ground.

I admit this may be media bias but for an international operation us and France seem to shouldering an unnecessary portion of the burden on what is meant to be an international operation. We're conducting air strikes to protect civilians - in reality to kill those who support Gadaffi will looking the other way when the rebels advance. I'd have no problem with toppling the despot by force but at least have the guts to do it honestly. This lie is equally as bad as Iraq's WMD lie, the only advantage being that we've not put ground troops in yet (except covertly)

It's very bitter that we have to accept cost cutting at home whereas our money is being spent "protecting civilians"

 

[HST Power]

That would hold water if the West had been consistently against Gadaffi's Libya, the thaw after their disarmament and admitting Lockerbie shows how two faced we've been - we had no problem dealing with him when we wanted his oil out of the ground.

Sadly, I can't disagree. The whale in the room is oil. As far as Lockerbie goes, I don't really know. I think Megrahi had cancer and I also believe he was not solely responsible for the bombing, but with all the different theories flying around it's impossible to tell. Some probably think he died years ago!

I admit this may be media bias but for an international operation us and France seem to shouldering an unnecessary portion of the burden on what is meant to be an international operation. We're conducting air strikes to protect civilians - in reality to kill those who support Gadaffi will looking the other way when the rebels advance. I'd have no problem with toppling the despot by force but at least have the guts to do it honestly. This lie is equally as bad as Iraq's WMD lie, the only advantage being that we've not put ground troops in yet (except covertly)

Again, I agree to some extent; 100% as far as the operational issue goes. You're right, the responsibility has been left solely with the UK and France. The Americans kicked up a fuss when the whole affair started; Obama repeatedly interrupted BBC News 24 with more lah de dah about how the US 'will not stand by and let civilians die', yet when it came to getting their hands dirty they pulled back and hot footed it home to Washington. The Americans don't play cards anymore, and my doubts about Mr Obama grow by the day. His approval rating is down big time and I fully can understand why. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't reinstated.

It's very bitter that we have to accept cost cutting at home whereas our money is being spent "protecting civilians"

I understand, but imagine if it was us in Libya. We'd constantly be living in fear and dread of the day when Gaddafi's cronies come knocking.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Well they have lots of oil and gas in Iran so bills might be cheaper!

For the citizens of Russia, as there is an agreement between Iran and Russia for the sale of these commodities. Having a common border does help.


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Now getting BACK ON THREAD, now that Prime Minister's Question Time (Hosted by the Rt. Hon. HST Power) is over, followed by "Question Time" ( with SS4 and Zoe and DarloRich on the panel but minus Mr. Dimbleby), should there be a judicial review into all prices charged to domestic customers....YES. Will there be one.....NO.

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[strange6]

The only time I'd vote Tory is if I wanted to spend billions on war in tough financial times

No need to do that when you can vote Liarbour! They're the biggest war starters of the lot of em!

 

[SS4]

No need to do that when you can vote Liarbour! They're the biggest war starters of the lot of em!

Two wrongs don't make a right. In addition Labour never stated that reducing government deficit was the absolute priority before jumping into their war.

 

[HST Power]

Two wrongs don't make a right. In addition Labour never stated that reducing government deficit was the absolute priority before jumping into their war.

But the Iraq war was before the banking collapse.

 

[SS4]

But the Iraq war was before the banking collapse.

True, the point I was trying to make is that it seems hypocritical and a fickle public will see cuts and home while spending millions abroad regardless of whether the reason is right or not.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Pardon me for asking, but is gas bills some form of acronym for a political debate on the rights and wrongs of the current military policy in Libya?.....or have I come on to this thread in error, as I was hoping to be looking for the Gas Bills thread.

I will close down...and go and visit the Quiz forum....and try again later.

 

[HST Power]

Pardon me for asking, but is gas bills some form of acronym for a political debate on the rights and wrongs of the current military policy in Libya?.....or have I come on to this thread in error, as I was hoping to be looking for the Gas Bills thread.

As you will see from my own quote on Page One (added below) I did my best to keep the thread in the right direction, but to no avail!

I can see where this is heading, so I'm going to avoid any talk of the P word before I send yet another thread into one of Tory vs Labour, Nationalisation vs Privatisation, AV vs FPTP, ect.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

As you will see from my own quote on Page One (added below) I did my best to keep the thread in the right direction, but to no avail!

For this, I thank you for mentioning it. As you can see, I have also tried. This is a general discussion forum, but it should be a discussion on the thread that was first posted. If anyone wants a NEW debate upon they have strong feelings, there is nothing to stop them opening a NEW thread.

When did you change your avatar? Was it as a token of respect for Eddie Stobart?

 

[HST Power]

When did you change your avatar? Was it as a token of respect for Eddie Stobart?

I'll send you a PM. I've made a little resolution regarding my posting, as Yorkie will well know!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I keep waiting on here for the political debatees to come back on, but they must have decided to hi-jack another thread, such as "Football" or "Crowded Supermarkets".

 

[Eng274]

My standard unit price for gas and electricity has gone up annually, and on one occasion my supplier (EDF energy) had claimed they'd offered the lowest price increase of the big guns. They also stealthily raised the threshold between paying the upper and lower rates for gas and lecky, so while you were led to believe you were getting a good deal, you were still actually paying more! I'm sure it's a common tactic for all the suppliers to cover up their hikes.

Luckily my flat is on the third floor and gets the worst of the sunlight, meaning i've never had to touch the central heating since early April.

will the government seriously commit to enforcing price caps? Not as long as they are skimming VAT from your bills and taking (what I'd hope is) a whopping chunk of corporation tax.