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Toby Atkinson

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Hello, on a Sunday why do the first two trains south out of Barrow only go as far as Carnforth and then turn around?
Is it something to do with the WCML not being operational this early?
 
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Hello, on a Sunday why do the first two trains south out of Barrow only go as far as Carnforth and then turn around?
Is it something to do with the WCML not being operational this early?
Bounces back 10 mins later and goes all the way round to carlisle. Very odd. And stagecoach buses dont wake up for another hour.
 

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It could be down to engineering works. The second service extends to Lancaster in a few weeks.
 

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It could be down to engineering works. The second service extends to Lancaster in a few weeks.
...and there is a RRB from Lancaster to Carnforth today (no point in a southbound one as the first Leeds-Morecambe is soon after).
Why the early train runs I know not, but possibly there is some demand into Barrow by 0930?
 
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...and there is a RRB from Lancaster to Carnforth today (no point in a southbound one as the first Leeds-Morecambe is soon after).
Why the early train runs I know not, but possibly there is some demand into Barrow by 0930?
Gosh. How things change. Going back to the early days of privatisation there was nowt out of Barrow till after noon during winter sunday timetable. During the summer Sunday time table June to September you could escape in the morning The train north to Carlisle on a sunday was a distant dream.
 

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It could be down to engineering works. The second service extends to Lancaster in a few weeks.

Mentioned here that there is a problem with one of junctions at Carnforth. Maybe that is being repaired?

 

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Lancaster station doesn't open until 0930 I think? Maybe a factor with regards to the first service?
 

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Hello, on a Sunday why do the first two trains south out of Barrow only go as far as Carnforth and then turn around?
Is it something to do with the WCML not being operational this early?
Lancaster to Carnforth is closed as part of the Standard Possession Opportunities until 0930 on Sunday mornings. This means the first train south of Barrow cannot run into Lancaster and therefore terminates Carnforth. In the current period (B) up to and including Sunday 12 February this closure is extended to 1005 and as a result the second train south of Barrow is amended (although this is done in the LTP timetable) to also terminates Carnforth, as a result a bus is run from Lancaster to Carnforth for the return working which would normally start Lancaster.
 

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The Furness line is no good with the 6 car 195s. I was on earlier and the front set doesn’t open at silverdale and some passengers couldn’t get off as there was no announcement. Which meant going to the next station and coming back.
 

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The Furness line is no good with the 6 car 195s. I was on earlier and the front set doesn’t open at silverdale and some passengers couldn’t get off as there was no announcement. Which meant going to the next station and coming back.
Presume, in the absence of selective door opening being used on that particular type of train, the initial solution is for appropriate announcements to be made en route to Silverdale, and then, in due course, for the platforms at the station to be lengthened to accommodate 6 car trains. Hopefully, you're not suggesting use of shorter formation trains pro temp &/or skip stopping Silverdale.
 

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Oh not at all. I think it was lack of announcements from the conductor and the issue of not being able to get through to the other train due to the driver cabs
 

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Presume, in the absence of selective door opening being used on that particular type of train, the initial solution is for appropriate announcements to be made en route to Silverdale, and then, in due course, for the platforms at the station to be lengthened to accommodate 6 car trains. Hopefully, you're not suggesting use of shorter formation trains pro temp &/or skip stopping Silverdale.
I doubt Silverdale will ever get lengthened due to its location. On the other hand, I personally do think there is some wisdom in airport trains skipping out certain stations on the line, but since it's such a pain to get to and from those places by road it is on the whole not a good idea. Skipping Roose at least some of the time would hit fare evaders to Barrow pretty badly though.
 

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I doubt Silverdale will ever get lengthened due to its location. On the other hand, I personally do think there is some wisdom in airport trains skipping out certain stations on the line, but since it's such a pain to get to and from those places by road it is on the whole not a good idea. Skipping Roose at least some of the time would hit fare evaders to Barrow pretty badly though.

It used to be, in the days of a more sensible alternating two hourly through service to Manchester for each of Barrow and Windermere rather than the present mess, that the through TPEs would miss a few stations, I think they would call Carnforth, Arnside, Grange, Ulverston and Barrow, and the Northern through stoppers to Carlisle that alternated with them did all stations. The TPEs did all stations on Sundays because the Northerns didn't run at all (the middle bit of the coast had no Sunday service). Similarly on the Windermeres half the trains missed Burneside and Staveley, which was to shorten the time needed for a through run and a shuttle to slightly below 2 hours so the timetable using the single platform at Oxenholme worked.

That said, calling at all stations on all trains on an infrequent route probably makes more sense.
 
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The pis tells you visually and audibly to move forward to a carriage that says that it's doors will be opening. Was it not working?
 
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