• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Fun on the rural bus

Status
Not open for further replies.

neilmc

Member
Joined
23 Oct 2011
Messages
1,069
I've moved from a city road which had a bus service all night to a village which has a service once a week! Lots of features of this kind of operation were new to me. Here's a few:

1) The outward journey to the market town always runs to route and time, unless there are any passengers for one specific village to which the bus only calls if requested by the previous day, in which case it runs about ten minutes later to the rest of the route.

2) On the return journey, the driver is free to take the quickest route to serve the destinations of the passengers actually on the bus when it leaves town. Thus the route isn't really suitable for inter-village journeys as it may well miss some out on the return! However, the bus often makes little detours to drop passengers with shopping right at their doors if they live slightly off-route.

3) Tickets are a novelty - generally the driver writes one ticket per village and gives it to one of the regulars!

4) I am usually the only person who actually pays a fare, although one or two passengers often drop a pound into a collection box. Needless to say it's heavily subsidised and the drivers are volunteers.

5) On many of the roads the bus takes up the whole width of the road with regular manoeuvres into farm gateways, etc when a tractor, delivery van, flocks of sheep or the occasional car is met.

6) Other incidents can occur. Last winter a broken branch blocked one road, fortunately two of the male passengers jumped off and held the branch back whilst the bus passed. A few weeks ago we ran very slowly for a couple of hundred yards so as not to squash a red squirrel which insisted on running up the middle of the road. Once a passenger picked up the wrong shopping bag from the luggage area - after the trip the driver drove all the way back to her house with the correct one. One of the very regulars, a very elderly man, failed to catch the bus one week so the driver stopped whilst another passenger knocked at his door to check he was OK and really wasn't coming that week.

7) A few weeks ago a guy who looked to be a transport enthusiast seemed quite intrigued by the bus and was considering taking a trip, until we pointed out that he couldn't get back from any of the places the bus served, even though it was only early afternoon.

8) The service has been worked by a new minibus for the last few weeks, which actually incorporates a route number and destination! Previously, well, you just knew it was the right bus because it was the only one around.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Romilly

Established Member
Joined
5 Nov 2013
Messages
1,712
This made me think of Frittenden in Kent, but on reflection I am not sure that the area of the Weald of Kent around Frittenden is quite as rural as the setting described in the OP.
 

quarella

Member
Joined
7 Dec 2009
Messages
820
I dreaded driving XXXday only routes. I enjoyed driving round the lanes and did my best to help with the passengers' shopping trolleys which were as heavy going into town as back, but I would be covering for their regular driver so the journey would be punctuated with "Jim does this." "Jim goes this way." Next time I do it I remember the unofficial variations to find they have changed. How many things Jim did and how much was them trying it on who knows but you couldn't win against those dear ladies of a certain age.
 

TAS

Member
Joined
16 Jul 2005
Messages
284
Reminiscent of a conversation I heard a few years back between a driver and a manager from a small independent bus operator, who had just taken over the service I was on from First.
Driver: Why do they keep ringing the bell?
Manager: On First, if you don't ring the bell the bus won't stop.
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,133
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
It's funny how convention regarding the bell differs from area to area. Certainly on the old Little White Buses around West Lancs, ringing the bell was considered rude - you got up and asked the driver to stop. Yet on almost identical MK Metro hail and ride routes (now mostly replaced with fixed stops), it was de-rigeur to use it to mean "stop at the first point you consider safe" and considered odd to distract the driver by talking to him.

I also got told off for using it on a Blackpool tram once - you were meant to ask the conductor who would ring it.
 
Last edited:

neilmc

Member
Joined
23 Oct 2011
Messages
1,069
I don't think our buses have bells, but the regular drivers know who is getting off where.

When I lived in Leeds, the bus bells said "Push Once" on them, which is obviously an invitation for the passenger since the conductor knew to push once, but a few older staff didn't see it that way.
 

IanD

Established Member
Joined
18 Sep 2011
Messages
2,783
Location
Newport Pagnell
Milton Keynes area seems to have several of these once or twice a week services

We have lots of once a week services from outlying villages (which often take different routes each week of the month) and a few once a month services. We used to have one that ran only on the 5th Tuesday of each month (as long as it wasn't a Bank Holiday).

See the FLx/RR/VLx and W11/13 on this page. They've recently helpfully expanded the VL timetables to show the full route rather than having a composite timetable which was a bit unreadable

http://www.milton-keynes.gov.uk/streets-transport-and-parking/bus-travel/bus-timetables-maps-and-travel-updates

One day, I'm going to get up early, and drive to Sharnbrook or Shefford so I can have a day out in Milton Keynes or Olney.
 

PeterC

Established Member
Joined
29 Sep 2014
Messages
4,769
We still have a six day a week service but the description reminds me of our service. I did have to direct the driver today as it was his second day on the route and nobody had told him about a planned road closure today (no idea if the LA hadn't bothered telling the operator or if the fault was with his supervisor)

I have even had a bus stop for me when it has passed me when I am out walking for exercise.
 

randyrippley

Established Member
Joined
21 Feb 2016
Messages
5,382
3) Tickets are a novelty - generally the driver writes one ticket per village and gives it to one of the regulars!

Surely illegal?
6) A few weeks ago we ran very slowly for a couple of hundred yards so as not to squash a red squirrel which insisted on running up the middle of the road.


Cumbria or Scotland?
 
Last edited by a moderator:

darloscott

Member
Joined
12 Dec 2013
Messages
912
Location
Stockton
We have a few Asda bus services that our company has recently taken over from Stagecoach - they run 3 days a week - and in the first few weeks we had a few issues with the way the regular driver had done things for the previous 15 years... it's settled down now though thankfully.
 

73001

Member
Joined
2 Jun 2010
Messages
447
Location
Liverpool
We had a long but infrequent route near me that kept the same driver for around 20 years even though the company running it changed four times. As each change was a take over rather than change of contract, the driver stayed on it. He knew everyone that got it regularly, worked it Mon-Sat, start to finish (except when he was on holiday) and would regularly wait for people, help the old dears etc, etc.
 

Baxenden Bank

Established Member
Joined
23 Oct 2013
Messages
4,743
Surely illegal?

Legal or not, I've seen it quite a few times.

Things are a bit different away from the big towns.

One operator used clipboards/paper where the fares taken were written down. One issued returns on the basis of 'I'm driving the bus and remember who has paid, see you later'.

The driver (or other passengers) knowing everyone else is a good thing. Nice and friendly, and, as suggested, useful if people have taken ill and someone cares enough to knock on their door.

On my former local route (urban not rural), one bus working with a regular driver, he told the tale of getting off the bus, knocking on the regular passengers door, and she had simply forgotten the time and would have missed the bus otherwise!

There is a lot to be said for having regular drivers - so long as the regular driver is a good one and not a bad one!

On a similar line, this week I was out walking and had to squeeze into a hedge to let the mobile library past. A few minutes later I had to do the same as he reversed all the way back down the lane. The local electricity company were replacing a wooden pole, completely blocking the lane but hadn't bothered to put any signs in place at either end of the lane! I then met a lady stood by the village green and asked if she happened to be waiting for the mobile library, and then explained to her why it was late. The mobile library then arrived, late, from the opposite direction. The driver and I exchanged friendly waves for the third time!
 

CD

Member
Joined
22 Jun 2014
Messages
1,053
Location
34004
In the days before the Somerset County Council cuts in 2012, there used to be a regular driver on Firsts evening 54 route (Yeovil-Taunton). This went right passed The Halfway House Pitney, (halfway between Somerton and Langport). This pub regularly won the CAMRA Somerset pub of the year award, and even the national award once. The last trip was at 2240 from Taunton and if any of the regulars having travelled there earlier and was not waiting outside, he would stop and collect them from inside the pub.
Now that's what you call customer service. :)
 

neilmc

Member
Joined
23 Oct 2011
Messages
1,069
Surely illegal?



Cumbria or Scotland?

Cumbria. Tickets are really for the accounting side, the driver knows who's paid and who will be travelling back. Once I tried to fool the system (and the driver) by coming up from Manchester in the morning on the train and catching the bus OUT of town only but he was aware - this has a SLIGHT risk in case the bus is actually full in which case passengers who travelled into town have precedence for seats going home again, but that's not yet ever been necessary.
 

Baxenden Bank

Established Member
Joined
23 Oct 2013
Messages
4,743
Are we talking Fellrunner out of Penrith to points east?

I did try to understand the times and routes once, but got utterly confused (bearing in mind that this is a transport forum and we can assume that I do know how to read a timetable). It took a lot more effort than a casual tourist would be willing to spend to find out where the bus went and when. I suppose the locals know their local route and the service is principally provided for them, but it's nice walking country out there and an extra (cash paying) passenger per journey makes a big difference to this type of deep rural operation.
 

heart-of-wessex

Established Member
Joined
11 Jun 2005
Messages
3,087
Location
Trowbridge
Surely illegal?

I wonder I did a Market Day route that the Wiltshire Day Rover was valid on however the driver was issuing hand written tickets.

Would be interesting to try and purchase a Wiltshire Day Rover on a hand written ticket and how that would be accepted on other operators!

Interestingly there was a route that was request stop only from halfway up the route, if no-one requested the locations from then on then it went straight to depot. Needless to say the driver had a habit of putting 'not in service' before getting to the start of the request route so he could go home...
 

Martin1988

Member
Joined
17 Jul 2012
Messages
1,011
Location
Bristol
I've been on a couple of these types of services before. Mainly services operating out of Bath/Chippenham to villages in Wiltshire.

Coachstyle used to have an interesting circular journey on Service 75 which ran out from Chippenham to Badminton and then back again. That particular journey ran on Fridays only and during term time normally used a 70 seater coach as it was worked off the back of a school service. Remember traveling on it on the last day of the summer term in July 2010 and the driver advising me that the following Friday it would be a minibus.

Also remember doing the 76 route from Bath to Malmesbury on a plaxton panther coach- again by Coachstyle. Seem to remember they ran two routes. One serving areas around Castle Combe and the other serving destinations towards Malmesbury. On the journey I traveled on, passengers traveling towards Castle Combe were swapped to another coach at Marshfield. I also remember once I'd reached Malmesbury having to hang round for a few hours to wait for the 41 back to Yate.

Most recent occasion I experienced one of these journeys was when I looked into getting a job at Dyrham Park and was asked to go for an informal chat with a manager. Getting there from Yate was an extremely difficult journey and involved traveling from Yate to Tormarton on the 41 and then changing onto the 634 which is a shopper's service running only a couple of journeys and running only a few times a week. Largely because of the lack of public transport, I decided not to persue working there.


Also remember doing another Coachstyle route between Chippenham and Corsham. Think this particular route went to Colerne via a number of Wiltshire villages and on the return journey set down on request only. Think the number might have been 36 but can anyone remember?
 

EbbwJunction1

Established Member
Joined
25 Mar 2010
Messages
1,761
Location
Newport, South Wales
In the days before the Somerset County Council cuts in 2012, there used to be a regular driver on Firsts evening 54 route (Yeovil-Taunton). This went right passed The Halfway House Pitney, (halfway between Somerton and Langport). This pub regularly won the CAMRA Somerset pub of the year award, and even the national award once. The last trip was at 2240 from Taunton and if any of the regulars having travelled there earlier and was not waiting outside, he would stop and collect them from inside the pub.
Now that's what you call customer service. :)

I hope that he didn't have pint with them if they weren't ready!
 

duncanp

Established Member
Joined
16 Aug 2012
Messages
4,856
The last trip was at 2240 from Taunton and if any of the regulars having travelled there earlier and was not waiting outside, he would stop and collect them from inside the pub.
Now that's what you call customer service. :)

Did he also make sure that the regulars got off at the correct stop, rather than fall asleep and wake up at the terminus?

Reminds me of Stan and Jack from On The Buses. They would probably relish the thought of having to go into the pub to collect customers, and Blakey would be waiting back at the depot to say "..I hate you Butler, what time of night do you call this...."
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,133
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
My late father's Tilling/NBC/privatised firm had a rule that you could ONLY go into licensed premises in uniform to use the phone in case of breakdown. To do otherwise (even after work) was a disciplinary offence


I would expect such a rule now, I'm actually genuinely surprised there was one back then.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
 

TheGrandWazoo

Veteran Member
Joined
18 Feb 2013
Messages
22,888
Location
Somerset with international travel (e.g. across th
I would expect such a rule now, I'm actually genuinely surprised there was one back then.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Indeed. Even more surprising was that smoking whilst driving was also a disciplinary offence and one that my dad got caught on several times :roll:

Also, a disciplinary offence not to display your PSV badge. Think my mum still has my dad's badge somewhere
 

philthetube

Established Member
Joined
5 Jan 2016
Messages
4,181
Indeed. Even more surprising was that smoking whilst driving was also a disciplinary offence and one that my dad got caught on several times :roll:

Also, a disciplinary offence not to display your PSV badge. Think my mum still has my dad's badge somewhere

I dont think the badge rule was a company one, Traffic commissioners would ask why not if the badge was not on view.
 

Mwanesh

Member
Joined
14 May 2016
Messages
948
Years ago when i worked in Buntingford .The Arriva driver on the 1630 from Stansted used to wait for me and my workmates outside the warehouse.If we were on holiday we would let him know .He was a jolly chap.
 

NorthernSpirit

Established Member
Joined
21 Jun 2013
Messages
2,274
I wonder I did a Market Day route that the Wiltshire Day Rover was valid on however the driver was issuing hand written tickets.

Would be interesting to try and purchase a Wiltshire Day Rover on a hand written ticket and how that would be accepted on other operators!

I've had it once with a West Yorkshire MetroDay. As I once bought one from TLC and TLC's Ticketer was playing up and part prited the ticket so the driver just wrote what the ticket was along with his name, signature and TLC's phone number.

I had no problems other than explaining the reason as to why the ticket was hand written. Managed to get around West Yorkshire on it suprisingly.
 

SCH117X

Established Member
Joined
27 Nov 2015
Messages
1,985
Its not just rural buses where drivers go beyond what the job requires. There was a recent story in the Burnley Press of Transdev X43 drivers assisting an elderly lady to and from the bus in Manchester.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top