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CaptainHaddock

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Does anyone else think the arrangements for carrying regular bikes on class 390s (pendolinos) are inefficient, outdated and act as a deterrent to 'turn up and go' bicycle/train travel?

When they eventually do an interior 390 refurbishment, will they look at either moving the cycle accomodation to another customer vestibule like on the voyagers, or perhaps allowing the leading door on a 390 to be accessed simply by a push button rather than requiring staff to be present with a key?

Couldn't agree more. I'm put off taking my bike on any train where I can't access the bike myself without staff assistance as, more often than not, there's no staff around to help you put your bike on or take it off the train, and this is even when you've prebooked. VTEC are just as bad as VTWC for this - quite why they can't have designated vertical bike spaces within the train itself (as on Voyagers) I don't know.
 
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I sometimes used to take my bike up to Central London on the train in the afternoon, but services have become so crowded in off-peak times, including weekends, that the decreasing amount of space to put a bike and the bother of moving it from one side to another and on and off trains at stations to ensure that passengers weren't inconvenienced made me give up on it. I felt that I was becoming a nuisance to other passengers. Fortunately I didn't need to take my bike, and I walk and use buses to get around now in Central London (my getting the Old Codgers' Oyster at 60 helped, of course). I wouldn't be surprised if the weekday rush-hour ban on bikes 'up' in the morning and 'down' in the afternoon is extended to other times and even days on some routes.
 

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Couldn't agree more. I'm put off taking my bike on any train where I can't access the bike myself without staff assistance as, more often than not, there's no staff around to help you put your bike on or take it off the train, and this is even when you've prebooked. VTEC are just as bad as VTWC for this - quite why they can't have designated vertical bike spaces within the train itself (as on Voyagers) I don't know.
Exactly.

These express services need to have vertical bicycle storage when they're refurbished. Especially now we need to attract more people off the roads. Travelling with a bike should not be a hinderence.
 

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Agree with vertical bike storage. It takes up less space, and therefore that space can actually be dedicated rather than having silly features like tip up seating or sharing with wheelchair users who really need their own dedicated space (again without tip up seating).

ISTR the reason the van area of the Pendolino requires staff assistance is that the front third of the vehicle wasn't allowed to have passengers in it on a train that can exceed (at the time) 100mph. Voyager van areas should be the same but are normally left open.

They'd do better moving it to a couple of bog sized vertical-mounted cupboards in the middle somewhere.
 

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Hmm. While vertical bike storage may work for people taking light road bikes over longer distances, they aren't necessarily convenient for people taking their bike for a few stops, and certainly not good for people with heavier, Dutch style utility bikes if they have to lift them up and hang them by the wheel.

The situation is even worse for older or disabled people who might want to take a cycle as a mobility aid. Adapted tricycles, handcycles, tandems etc. are larger than standard bicycles, and in any case, disabled people may need assistance to lift their cycle into the appropriate space.

Something like the Deutsche Bahn IC model might work. Here there's half a coach at the back of the train with cycle priority and racks on the coach wall, and crucially, while you can hang your bike up on the racks, you don't have to. But whether this can coexist with the ever increasing demand for seating and standing room is another matter.

I think a lot of the shorter distance demand would evaporate if it was easy and convenient to hire a bike at the station. Bike&Go is a mess, and I'm surprised the various TOCs haven't been partnering with the various dockless bike hire companies to provide cycle hire at stations.

(A lot of the shorter distance demand would also vanish if the street design for local journeys allowed for slow, safe cycling, rather than leaving you to contend with cars and turn your journey from, say, Woking to Guildford, into an episode of The Krypton Factor.)
 

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Whoever had their bike on the 11:30pm saturday service to reading from Paddington was a dick. They put their bike blocking the opening side door and then sat down. People couldnt get on the train at Ealing Broadway or Southall
 

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Whoever had their bike on the 11:30pm saturday service to reading from Paddington was a dick. They put their bike blocking the opening side door and then sat down. People couldnt get on the train at Ealing Broadway or Southall

I'm sure those people could remove it and place it on the platform prior to boarding.

:D
 

matt_world2004

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I'm sure those people could remove it and place it on the platform prior to boarding.

:D

I didnt quite put it on the platform it was wedged with me and other passengers but it kept falling out every time the door opened. I felt bad for the passengers at ealing bbroadway as they had 25 min wait for their next train or something
 
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