Fuel Strikes?

[Schnellzug]

But you haven't explained why you think they are buying more petrol overall, just that they fill up more often. All they have done is brought their usual petrol buying forward.
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Let me see if I can explain again. People rush out to fill up their tanks. They then use their car just as much as they usually would. They then have to fill up again. Therefore, they have bought more petrol. Particularly if, as explained a moment previously, there are then fresh rumours of Strikes, so they rush out and buy more petrol than they would usually have done all over again. Your canned food analogy would only apply if people, in the interim between Panics, stopped using their Cars, so they could use the Petrol they'd hoarded previously. Do you think they'd be likely to do this? If they thought that they didn't actually need to use their Cars as much, why would they panic about stocking up in the first place? The reason, surely, that they do rush out & Panic is that "I can't do without my Car".

 

[Deerfold]

Let me see if I can explain again. People rush out to fill up their tanks. They then use their car just as much as they usually would. They then have to fill up again. Therefore, they have bought more petrol. Particularly if, as explained a moment previously, there are then fresh rumours of Strikes, so they rush out and buy more petrol than they would usually have done all over again. Your canned food analogy would only apply if people, in the interim between Panics, stopped using their Cars, so they could use the Petrol they'd hoarded previously. Do you think they'd be likely to do this? If they thought that they didn't actually need to use their Cars as much, why would they panic about stocking up in the first place? The reason, surely, that they do rush out & Panic is that "I can't do without my Car".

They may well be filling up more frequently but how do they buy more fuel? Surely they'll use the same as normal (and perhaps a little more for extra trips to the petrol station).

 

[table38]

Let me see if I can explain again. People rush out to fill up their tanks. They then use their car just as much as they usually would. They then have to fill up again. Therefore, they have bought more petrol. Particularly if, as explained a moment previously, there are then fresh rumours of Strikes, so they rush out and buy more petrol than they would usually have done all over again.

The answer is in your own post!

 

[jon0844]

This is mad. If people are stupid enough to panic buy, surely they won't fill up and then feel safe enough to drive more than they normally would? They'd try and drive less, or at least no more than normal. One fill up won't be enough to keep people going throughout any strike(s) that might happen, except for people who have very economical cars where a full tank could last weeks, or even months.

All they've done is brought forward their purchase, and so they'll be slightly further ahead than they otherwise would. The Government gets a bit of revenue a bit quicker than it otherwise might, but ultimately still the same amount (besides the petrol wasted to keep going to top up).

During the last strike, I drove a lot less and I also tried to drive as economically as possible. Given I was driving an Escort Cosworth, believe me that was quite hard to do!!

 

[OuterDistant]

They may well be filling up more frequently but how do they buy more fuel? Surely they'll use the same as normal (and perhaps a little more for extra trips to the petrol station).

They will use additional fuel idling their engine in the queues, or driving around trying to avoid queues.

 

[Schnellzug]

The answer is in your own post!

So they don't use any less fuel, do they! They buy more fuel, then they use as much fuel as they always do, then they fill up all over again; therefore, they buy more full.



The efforts by people to defend this attempt by the Government to rip people off will I'm sure be admired greatly by Conservative Central Office, there might even be a medal in it.

 

[Ferret]

So they don't use any less fuel, do they! They buy more fuel, then they use as much fuel as they always do, then they fill up all over again; therefore, they buy more full.



The efforts by people to defend this attempt by the Government to rip people off will I'm sure be admired greatly by Conservative Central Office, there might even be a medal in it.

You're beginning to look silly. Best to hold your hand up and say 'whoops, I'm wrong' when you've clearly made a faux pas.

 

[table38]

They will use additional fuel idling their engine in the queues...

I switched my engine off, but that begs another question.

I assume you waste a bit of fuel "priming" the engine to start it.

So how long would you need to be stationary before it was worth switching off your engine?

Also I've switched off the aircon to save fuel, but I was then told that opening the window increases drag so lowers your fuel enconomy!

Where is Jeremy Clarson when you need him
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So they don't use any less fuel, do they! They buy more fuel, then they use as much fuel as they always do, then they fill up all over again; therefore, they buy more full.

OK I'm probably not explaining myself very well.

I fill up once a week. I make 5 trips a week to work and 2 to my Mums. I usually fit shopping in on the way home but do the occasional chip shop run.

So this week, I filled up twice just in case... but my tank was already half full. I didn't throw that petrol away, so this week, I bought exactly the same amount of fuel as I always do.

You still haven't explained how you think people are using all this extra fuel you think they are buying.

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oops, that's wrong, as I'd have bought 1.5 times the amount I usually buy

Lets assume my tank was half full both times I filled up!

But even if it were empty the first time, all I've done is bring the purchase of that half a tank forward by a few days. Unless I use the car more (which I ain't going to do under the circumstances) I am not going to buy more fuel over the mystery time period I've been careful not to specify

 

[SS4]

Sure, but it doesn't mean people are buying more petrol overall, just buying it earlier.

Makes sense.
Surely this'll cause trouble down the line when tax receipts go down in the nearish future? Unless the strike threat is extended over a period of time.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

then they use as much fuel as they always do, then they fill up all over again; therefore, they buy more full.

Umm no, the clue is when you said 'they use as much fuel as they always do'.

 

[Wyvern]

So part of the driver's grievance is over working hours? And the words safety have been mentioned.

So now Fuel driver hours rules are to be relaxed by government

I haven't heard whether the drivers are going to work those extra hurs?

 

[SS4]

So part of the driver's grievance is over working hours? And the words safety have been mentioned.

So now Fuel driver hours rules are to be relaxed by government

I haven't heard whether the drivers are going to work those extra hurs?

It's a very crafty plot. If they don't work those hours then they're seen as holding the country to ransom but should they work then their reasons for striking lose legitimacy.


Interestingly though working hours are set by the EU. London is unilaterally adjusting the working hours so either there is scope in the law, an exemption has been granted or the Euroskeptics are lying about EU takeover

 

[jon0844]

Makes sense.
Surely this'll cause trouble down the line when tax receipts go down in the nearish future? Unless the strike threat is extended over a period of time.

The duty is probably paid quarterly? If so, I doubt it will make any real difference. Certainly this wasn't an attempt to make more money as it wouldn't work. In fact revenues might fall as people ration usage themselves.

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[90019]

Staff pass? Are you on the buses ?

Yep.

Let me see if I can explain again. People rush out to fill up their tanks. They then use their car just as much as they usually would. They then have to fill up again. Therefore, they have bought more petrol.

If a person drives their car as much as they normally do, how exactly do they use more fuel?

I switched my engine off, but that begs another question.

I assume you waste a bit of fuel "priming" the engine to start it.

So how long would you need to be stationary before it was worth switching off your engine?

ISTR hearing a rough figure of 30-45 seconds. I'm not sure how true this, but at junctions where I know I'll be sitting for a few minutes, I turn off my engine anyway.

 

[Schnellzug]

So having cunningly deflected dissent by going down alleyways of nitpicking, would anyone like to explain why mr. David Cameron is fit for office?

 

[Ferret]

So having cunningly deflected dissent by going down alleyways of nitpicking, would anyone like to explain why mr. David Cameron is fit for office?

It's not so much him, as some of his Cabinet who clearly are incompetent. As I said elsewhere, did nobody tell this lot that the previous Government's incompetence was not a blueprint to be slavishly followed?!

Anyway, I hardly call the last page 'alleyways of nitpicking' - more you goofed in your attempts to lay a charge against the Tories by not thinking about what you were saying and then compounded the error by failing to stop digging when in a hole! I wouldn't mind but they've given you plenty of opportunities for legitimate criticism so there's no need to invent more as well!

 

[Aictos]

So having cunningly deflected dissent by going down alleyways of nitpicking, would anyone like to explain why mr. David Cameron is fit for office?

Maybe because Labour's leader doesn't have the confidence needed to provide a alternative Prime Minister?

 

[Ferret]

Maybe because Labour's leader doesn't have the confidence needed to provide a alternative Prime Minister?

For 'confidence' read 'ability' I think. Losing to Galloway in a safe Labour seat is a total fiasco for him. I just can't see how he can be PM.

 

[jon0844]

Ed won't be PM, even if Labour get back in (and there's a good chance they will, as any party or parties picking up the pieces is hardly going to be able to make popular decisions).

I think everyone knows that the Tories are quite happy for Ed to be the Labour leader though. When the planning for the next election begins, rest assured he'll be booted out one way or another. Ed can't keep dodging the questions forever - such as 'well what would YOU do to fix things?' and have to provide plausible figures.

They're all as bad as each other, and I can't see when we'll end this ping pong game where one party spends money like water, which makes people happy, then it goes tits up so someone else comes in to try and fix things, which makes people sad, then it goes back to the party that says 'hey, we'll make it all better' and it all repeats!

Anyway, I think while I wrote that I just ran out of fuel. Time for a fill up.

 

[richw]

As several other people have commented, how are people using more fuel? Purely hypothetical but someone Normally does 1000 miles a month which uses 100 litres. Their car fuel tank holds 50 litres, normally they fill up twice a month when tank gets empty, so 2 fills of 50 litres. Panic buying people are filling up after using only half a tank, so need to top up 25 litres 4 times in a month. They are still using the same quantity of fuel.

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[GB]

Driving style has a lot to do with it. I usually only have about half a tank in the car and these days I drive like a nun trying to squeeze the most out of it. If I have a full tank I'm generally less inclined to drive like a tight ass and thus I go from full to half slightly quicker than half to empty.

So if I were to panic buy and put in a full tank I would use marginally more fuel than what I normally would.

But that's just me, some people will be similar and some won't.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Theres a fuel strike! i best go fill all my many cars at once right away or i might die.

 

[SS4]

The duty is probably paid quarterly? If so, I doubt it will make any real difference. Certainly this wasn't an attempt to make more money as it wouldn't work. In fact revenues might fall as people ration usage themselves.

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When does Q1 2012 end again?

 

[Madge Wildfire]

Theres a fuel strike! i best go fill all my many cars at once right away or i might die.

Or in the case of certain old folk - fill as many jam jars and paint tins as possible.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-03-30/elderly-woman-seen-filling-jam-jars-at-petrol-pump/

 

[Donny Dave]

And the profiteering from some garages starts .....

Here in Scunthorpe, the Jet garage opposite Asda is charging 144.9p per litre of unleaded, where as Asda is charging 137.7p. However, Asda has run out, so the muppets are queuing to get into the Jet garage and blocking the road.

The Murco garage on Normanby road is charging 142.9p/litre, and the Applegreen garage on Brumby corner is the same price.

Compare that with Tesco, Morrisons and the Esso garage just down the road from Tesco. All 137.9p/litre ....

 

[Madge Wildfire]

Not necessarily profiteering, although possibly.

Most filling stations are run as franchises, and if their main supplier cannot supply them for a few days when the tanks run dry, they may have to resort to buying a tanker load from other distributors - which will be more expensive than their normal source.

At around £50,000 per tanker load, payable either in advance or within 48 hours of delivery, this can be quite a financial problem for the filling station owner.

 

[Donny Dave]

The Jet garage in question was only charging 138.9p/litre on Wednesday morning.

The Murco and Applegreen garages have also raised their prices by a couple of pence as well.

The rest of the garages mentioned have kept their prices stable, with a maximum of a 1p rise in price (or in the case of Esso, no rise at all).

 

[142094]

BP near me put 6p on petrol in two days, and 2p on diesel. Next door is a Morrisons which hasn't run out and a Shell at the other end of the road. We've largely escaped the rush for fuel up here but still the price has gone up.

 

[jon0844]

When does Q1 2012 end again?

What relevance does that have? Businesses can choose their own accounting periods.

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[Butts]

Ed won't be PM, even if Labour get back in (and there's a good chance they will, as any party or parties picking up the pieces is hardly going to be able to make popular decisions).

I think everyone knows that the Tories are quite happy for Ed to be the Labour leader though. When the planning for the next election begins, rest assured he'll be booted out one way or another. Ed can't keep dodging the questions forever - such as 'well what would YOU do to fix things?' and have to provide plausible figures.

They're all as bad as each other, and I can't see when we'll end this ping pong game where one party spends money like water, which makes people happy, then it goes tits up so someone else comes in to try and fix things, which makes people sad, then it goes back to the party that says 'hey, we'll make it all better' and it all repeats!

It's patently obvious that Labour chose the wrong brother !!!

I saw David Milliband on "Brillo Pads" show last Sunday Afternoon and he is so smooth he's almost Tony Blair or David Cameron.

With regard to this dispute the lady who set herself on fire whilst decanting petrol in the kitchen while the gas cooker was on .....instead of the Media trying to pin the blame on Maude they should have been concentrating on HER stupidity which went unremarked upon.:roll:

When I was a young service station manager 30 years ago for Total, Tanker Drivers were like gods (a bit like train drivers today) in the hierarchy. They were very highly paid but remember they are driving about attatched to a mobile "bomb" 6000 gallons of 3YE 1203 or whatever