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ryan125hst

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I have just been looking on UK Steam's website and noticed that The Pilgrim Fathers railtour from London to Skegness and return, hauled by 63106, has been cancelled. I am disappointed to hear this as I have never seen Mayflower and was planning on going to see her pass through Peterborough and Grantham, two stations that I have only ever passed through at speed. Now the tour has been cancelled, I'll obviously have to cancel this plan.

Disappointment aside, it got me thinking of just how many railtours are cancelled. In fact, three are cancelled this week and five next week, and these are only tours that were planned to use steam traction for part of their journey.

Now I fully understand how difficult it is to run railtours using old machines on a railway that is getting ever busier and moving on from the times of the past, but why are the tours advertised only for them to be cancelled so frequently? This will disappoint people who have booked, or at least were planning to book onto, the tour as well as those, like myself on this occasion, who would like to see and photograph the train. On top of all this, it must take a considerable amount of effort to plan a tour and cost a not unsubstantial amount of money (presumably every tour listed has been mentioned to Network Rail) as well. And then there are the jobs of the drivers, guards, stewards and catering staff who suddenly find themselves without work on a given day.

Now I know some cancellations are unavoidable, particularly where infrastructure issues are to blame, but do you agree with me that far too many railtours are cancelled and what do you think can be done to make sure as many advertised tours run as possible? Scheduled services are, of course, the priority, but with so many cancellations, I'm wondering if they are often advertised too early, before the tour promoters know that the tour is possible.

Your thoughts please :)
 
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maybe this thread could be merged with the one I have just started in response to...well at least the train ran but diesel hauled Cathedrals Express London - Weymouth July 9. sceduled to be hauled by Mayflower

earlier cancellations can be blamed on the WCR SPAD and other debacles, but I note so far 2 Dorset coast Expresses already cancelled
 

STEVIEBOY1

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I think some times there are too many steam tours around the same time, for example on some summer Sundays there are three on one day from Bristol. It would be better if the tour operators of these trip talked with each other and just ran one tour on alternative weeks. Otherwise the market gets "Saturated or diluted" for want of a better word. There are not enough passengers to fill three trains from the same place on the same day.

It is disappointing when these trips are cancelled especially at short notice, or run by diesels instead. i am hoping to travel with Mayflower later this month, I hope it's fixed by then. (I think on the 09 July tour mentioned above, that they did try to get Tangmere on the return trip, but it seems that was not possible.)
 

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maybe this thread could be merged with the one I have just started in response to...well at least the train ran but diesel hauled Cathedrals Express London - Weymouth July 9. sceduled to be hauled by Mayflower

earlier cancellations can be blamed on the WCR SPAD and other debacles, but I note so far 2 Dorset coast Expresses already cancelled

It did indeed, however note the reason why "UPDATE: LONDON TO WEYMOUTH, 9 JULY 2015
We are sorry to say that at 4pm today, after the rostered locomotive for our trip, Mayflower, had passed its Fitness to Run examination, a minor boiler failure developed, which will take at least a few days to fix. Mayflower will therefore not be hauling our trip to Weymouth tomorrow, and it is very likely that the trip will have to be hauled by a vintage diesel locomotive.

Our Train Operating Company, West Coast Railways, is working hard to find an alternative steam locomotive, but unfortunately they do not have any steam engines on their books which are currently in steam in London.

At the time of writing, West Coast Railways are finding out if steam locomotive Tangmere, which is currently stabled in Bristol, can be readied for tomorrow to haul the train from Weymouth back to London. If they are able to ready this locomotive our Train Operator, West Coast Railways, will need to find crew to move the locomotive from the depot in Bristol, and Network Rail will need to agree to a short notice movement.

In the event that the train is diesel hauled all day, the Steam Dreams team will do their utmost to ensure that you enjoy the trip as much as possible."

Hopefully The Mayflower will (fingers crossed) work the Swanage Belle :D
 

341o2

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Most likely will have another headache the previous evening.....
 

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How many of the cancellations would be down to engineering work that was not scheduled before a tour was announced and booking opened?

How far in advance does NR advertise/list planned engineering work
 

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How many of the cancellations would be down to engineering work that was not scheduled before a tour was announced and booking opened?

How far in advance does NR advertise/list planned engineering work

Very few.

Engineering work that takes place at times that are normally available for the operation of trains has to be notified to operators at least 26 weeks before the day of the race. Whilst this doesn't always happen - as the train planners on here will testify - it usually does. And works notified after this timescale are usually either minor changes late at night affecting last trains, or emergency works.
 

STEVIEBOY1

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Very few.

Engineering work that takes place at times that are normally available for the operation of trains has to be notified to operators at least 26 weeks before the day of the race. Whilst this doesn't always happen - as the train planners on here will testify - it usually does. And works notified after this timescale are usually either minor changes late at night affecting last trains, or emergency works.

Yes, if a tour is cancelled at short notice owing to track work etc, it is usually because it's a late notice/emergency engineering works, which although annoying, can't be helped.
 

richieb1971

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I spent quite a bit of money travelling to Basingstoke for the Mayflower run. Very disappointed it wasn't running.

The sad thing is if a working was scheduled and I was working it would definitely turn up as scheduled :lol:
 
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