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French commuters go on strike

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Intresting article in The Times:

Fed up with your train arriving late or finding that it is cancelled? Then why not take a leaf out of the French commuters' book and go on strike?

In a move that reflects action taken by commuters in the West of England four years ago, when passengers refused on masse to produce tickets on First Great Western trains for a day, French rail passengers are to "go on strike" today.

Hundreds of commuters will travel without paying in a show of defiance against SNCF, the state railway network, while those with season tickets will keep their passes in there pockets.

Keith Dyall, of Railfuture, the British campaign group, said the Gallic action might help to explode the belief that France's service was superior to Britain's. "We always think that the French are remarkably well provided for in terms of funding and we live in the UK on our reputation for not being able to run trains on time. But the truth is that we're no worse than anywhere else," he said.

The French protest, which began on western lines last week, comes amid a groundswell of anger at a service that used to be a source of pride. "The network was exemplary 20 years ago, but its getting worse and if we dont do something, we're going to end up like Britain," said Michel Pottier, chairman of the association of Railway users in the Western Region.

Together with dozens of other users of the high speed line between Angers and Paris, he has recently been taking the train wearing a badge that says: "Season ticket holders on strike".

"I pay 500 euros (£420) a month and the delays are more and more frequent," he told The Times. "It used to be once a month that a train was late. Now, the train arrives a quarter of an hour late or so several times a week."

The SNCF, which says that about 20% of its mainline trains are late, has promised to spend tens of millions of euros on the 12 worst performing lines in the country.

When passengers in Bath, Bristol, Swindon and other towns in the region served by FGW took action in 2007, it removed all its ticket inspections for the day to defuse the situation.
 
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Fincra5

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French on strike, suprising.... :):)

Fair enough to them though.
 

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People dont realise that the french commuter lines get hardly any resources, it all goes on the shiny TGV lines. Ive heard as much as 20 minutes average delay to services.
 

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Hundreds of commuters will travel without paying in a show of defiance against SNCF, the state railway network, while those with season tickets will keep their passes in there pockets.

From The Times, eh? I knew the general awareness of a difference between "they're", "their" and "there" was falling, but it finally seems to have made it to the news desk.
 

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The people at SNCF should send out their equivalent of RPIs and TIR everyone who has deliberately boarded without a ticket and is refusing to produce a valid ticket.

But I'm sure if that happened the French would either set fire to the train or a nearby group of animals.
 

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People dont realise that the french commuter lines get hardly any resources, it all goes on the shiny TGV lines. Ive heard as much as 20 minutes average delay to services.

That's not quite true - it's heavily dependent on the will of the Conseil Régional, who is jointly responsible for the TER services, along with the SNCF.

TER Nord - Pas de Calais is pretty good, for example, (even boasting a high-speed TERGV), and Alsace isn't too shabby. Elsewhere, it's rather variable, although it's worth bearing in mind just how sparse a population much of the country has, particularly outside the big 3 cities.
 

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The people at SNCF should send out their equivalent of RPIs and TIR everyone who has deliberately boarded without a ticket and is refusing to produce a valid ticket.

I hope this is a joke, right?

But I'm sure if that happened the French would either set fire to the train or a nearby group of animals.

Hmm, I guess it was...?

"I pay 500 euros (£420) a month and the delays are more and more frequent," he told The Times. "It used to be once a month that a train was late. Now, the train arrives a quarter of an hour late or so several times a week."

If such a vital public service is consistently bad-to-worse, a concise, non-disruptive yet certainly visible act of civic disobedience is not a bad way to bring the point home. Of course the "miners" can be "thatchered" (or merely fined, if there are no truncheons available ;)) but I doubt that it would improve things in any way.

When passengers in Bath, Bristol, Swindon and other towns in the region served by FGW took action in 2007, it removed all its ticket inspections for the day to defuse the situation.


Correct.

From The Times, eh? I knew the general awareness of a difference between "they're", "their" and "there" was falling, but it finally seems to have made it to the news desk.

Hear, hear!
 

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The trains around Nice also seemed pretty good a couple of years ago

Yep but only a half hourly service between Nice and Monte Carlo, usually delayed by 15 mins and overcrowded due to its low frequency. The trains themselves arent bad
 

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I hope this is a joke, right?
No it isn't. If you are unhappy with something, refusing to pay whilst still using it is hypocritical and illegal.

I'm not happy at all the budget cuts in local government, shall I refuse to pay my council tax for one month? If I do, guess what will happen, I'll end up in court.

I think the price of petrol is getting out if hand, that doesn't mean I'm going to drive off a forecourt with a full tank by means of protest.

Stealing or obtain goods/services without appropriate payment is a criminal offence, not an effective form of protest. It debases your whole argument with the situation, just like the violence did with the university fees protests.
 

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I'm not happy at all the budget cuts in local government, shall I refuse to pay my council tax for one month? If I do, guess what will happen, I'll end up in court.

Isn't that exactly how the poll tax was defeated?
 

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Isn't that exactly how the poll tax was defeated?

Nope - In reality so few people actually did refuse to pay that it would make no difference.

In reality it was defeated by a combination of riots and the fact that their MPs all realised that they were about to flush the next election down the toilet (as had already happened in Scotland where there were only 2 remaining Tory MPs), that made them back off.
 

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Nope - In reality so few people actually did refuse to pay that it would make no difference.

In reality it was defeated by a combination of riots and the fact that their MPs all realised that they were about to flush the next election down the toilet (as had already happened in Scotland where there were only 2 remaining Tory MPs), that made them back off.

I wouldn't say 'few':

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/14/newsid_2495000/2495911.stm
 
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