Freightliner Benefits

[Tom Quinne]

I joined RPS Final Salary 65 with a TOC back in 2004, then was lucky enough to be able go transfer across to the NWR section on joining the firm in 17.

 

[Heaps92]

I joined RPS Final Salary 65 with a TOC back in 2004, then was lucky enough to be able go transfer across to the NWR section on joining the firm in 17.

I was lucky enough to get joined to the final salary straight away with FK and now changed across to DB final salary. So not too bad for myself pension wise. Still 35 years to work wooooo

 

[Heaps92]

FL** not fk duhhh

 

[dawny291]

As you know Freightliner has put forward proposals to your union that could threaten your pension.

This is a profitable company which is growing, for example they have just won a multi-million deal with Mendip Rail. And even though Freightliner have a well-funded pension scheme they now want to force members for the first 5 years of their company service away from a Final Salary Pension scheme into an inferior Defined Contribution (Money Purchase) pension scheme. This will significantly reduce their retirement aspirations

All you need to know about the proposals:

https://www.rmt.org.uk/about/pensio...ilways-pension-scheme-rps051218/?preview=true

Management are proposing:

1. Existing employees who have not yet joined the RPS to have the opportunity to join the Freightliner section of the RPS which will run until 28th February 2019. If they do not join the section by this date they will then have a one off opportunity to join on 1st April after completing 5 years continuous company service. Those with more than 5 years company service will not be permitted the opportunity to join this section of the RPS.

2. New employees will not be permitted to join the RPS until they have completed 5 years continuous company service unless they are beginning their employment with Freightliner directly after leaving another railways employer and were already an active member of the RPS.

 

[bwlv9]

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[Lenny_1986]

Only 3 weeks ago in my DMI they were very proud of the excellent pension they offer with the final salary scheme, obviously no mention of this in the pipeline.
dawny291 thanks for this information, I will be keeping a close eye on it.

 

[Crazyb]

I was lucky enough to get joined to the final salary straight away with FK and now changed across to DB final salary. So not too bad for myself pension wise. Still 35 years to work wooooo

Is DBS only 83% Final pension. I was at Intermodal which has always been 100%, but I'm sure DBS are only 83%. Even changing it over you will get RPI every year, instead of CPI if left frozen.

Pensions have always been a issue over the years, but Freightliner are "looking" into a Defined Pension for newbies for 5 years. Most TOC's now keep you in this for 2 years then you have to ask to move to the RPS pension, which we are all in. The guys that are normally in the pensions before it kicks off should be ok. They normally have a date. I was British Rail, so anyone after 1993 never got to keep their protected rights.

Freightliner will never change, the same old ****. How things have changed since we started the company off in 1995/96. I'm glad I'm out.

Oh, don't forget the above link is RMT, what RMT get and what ASLEF do are to different things. What until it happens, it's only proposed at the moment. Things to learn on the railway with all company's...HR are crap, and wait until you see things in writing!!!

 

[bwlv9]

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[Crazyb]

Crazyb, do you have any idea how long it will take for this to change for new entrants, being an outsider I'm sure you will appreciate I have no idea how long things take or how serious the proposals are, as in, is it now done and dusted for new entrants, or will it take a while to go through while they negotiate with the unions, just any idea of a rough timescale, months or a year? Thank you

I'm not a Intermodal no more, so not in the loop really but I still knock around with the Intermodal boys for a few beers. All I can say, how long is a piece of string !!!! Freightliner are quite ruthless really and if they are saving money they may try and push it through, but pushing through in 2 months....I doubt it. It's got to go through ASLEF yet.

The way to look at it, would you turn a job down that you always wanted to do, just for the sake of 5 years in the DB Scheme, if the answer is no.....why worry. Even though Freightliner have lost a massive amount of qualified drivers, what a stepping stone to get into the railway.

Most TOC's are 2 years in the DB Scheme, you have just got to remember to come out....so set an alarm !!!! They will not tell you when your 5 years are up, believe me. No doubt it will come in at some stage, a bit like BREXIT....lol

 

[bwlv9]

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[choochoochoo]

Oh good god....

What ?

Thought it seemed like a reasonable question seeing freight pilots can travel on flight deck jump seats for leisure.

 

[Heaps92]

Is DBS only 83% Final pension. I was at Intermodal which has always been 100%, but I'm sure DBS are only 83%. Even changing it over you will get RPI every year, instead of CPI if left frozen.

Pensions have always been a issue over the years, but Freightliner are "looking" into a Defined Pension for newbies for 5 years. Most TOC's now keep you in this for 2 years then you have to ask to move to the RPS pension, which we are all in. The guys that are normally in the pensions before it kicks off should be ok. They normally have a date. I was British Rail, so anyone after 1993 never got to keep their protected rights.

Freightliner will never change, the same old ****. How things have changed since we started the company off in 1995/96. I'm glad I'm out.

Oh, don't forget the above link is RMT, what RMT get and what ASLEF do are to different things. What until it happens, it's only proposed at the moment. Things to learn on the railway with all company's...HR are crap, and wait until you see things in writing!!!

Not sure actually I just tocked the retire at 60 option! Haha

 

[Crazyb]

I had a nightmare with that 60

Not sure actually I just tocked the retire at 60 option! Haha

I had a nightmare with that 60 option...They said I can take my FLT at 60 if frozen, and my TOC at 62...I had to fight for that, but back in 60 option with it all moved over....I'm counting the the last remaining years down now...

 

[Tom Quinne]

What ?

Thought it seemed like a reasonable question seeing freight pilots can travel on flight deck jump seats for leisure.

It never ceases to me amaze me the questions people ask when their applying for these highly sort after roles.

I mean, can you ride a freight train to get from A to B when your off duty ???!!!

For starters how would you board it, and get off ? Wander over open lines, flag it down ?

Tell you what after a night out wander up to the railway line, flag down a passing freight and ride it home !

I mean really, a little tiny bit of common sense might suggest this would be a 100% no no even to someone with little knowledge of the railway. Personally I would expect anyone who is applying for a role like driver to have at least some kind of basic understanding of simple common sense concepts.

 

[Dieseldriver]

It never ceases to me amaze me the questions people ask when their applying for these highly sort after roles.

I mean, can you ride a freight train to get from A to B when your off duty ???!!!

For starters how would you board it, and get off ? Wander over open lines, flag it down ?

Tell you what after a night out wander up to the railway line, flag down a passing freight and ride it home !

I mean really, a little tiny bit of common sense might suggest this would be a 100% no no even to someone with little knowledge of the railway. Personally I would expect anyone who is applying for a role like driver to have at least some kind of basic understanding of simple common sense concepts.

100% agreed. It's bizarre that any adult would ask those questions.

 

[The One]

I think what he means is will he be allowed to ride in front with driver for eg if going from depot to depot or a station or departing from sidings .I know you just can’t wave a train down or just stop at any station considering the length of the trains

 

[Mgv1349]

If that’s the case then it’s up to the driver, it’s compeltely up to them who they let in there cab and in some situations they aren’t even allowed to have people on there cab if they wanted to e.g newly qualified

 

[The One]

This is very true they could be newly qualified or even been naughty then as you said can’t take no one, some drivers love the company and some rather be on their own

 

[Mgv1349]

Does any out there know what benefits are there when working for Freightliner and do they have their own social clubs

You’ll get told in your induction mate they do a section on it

 

[Dieseldriver]

If that’s the case then it’s up to the driver, it’s compeltely up to them who they let in there cab and in some situations they aren’t even allowed to have people on there cab if they wanted to e.g newly qualified

It isn't up to the Driver who they allow in their cab. It's up to a Driver who they can refuse in certain circumstances but a Driver cannot allow in a random Driver who fancies travelling in the cab on a day off.
The sheer number of strange fantasists with zero knowledge on this forum who feel qualified to comment on these matters is staggering.

 

[Mgv1349]

It isn't up to the Driver who they allow in their cab. It's up to a Driver who they can refuse in certain circumstances but a Driver cannot allow in a random Driver who fancies travelling in the cab on a day off.
The sheer number of strange fantasists with zero knowledge on this forum who feel qualified to comment on these matters is staggering.

If you read my comment properly it was replying to the post above saying about travelling down as a pass to a depot which would then require for you to ask the driver.. not on there day off, rather than try be a know it all read the comments

 

[Tom Quinne]

Unless your diagram states PASS (passenger) on 6M99 from A to B you are not authorised to be on that train.

For example, god forbid an accident happens the RAIB will want to know why there was two personnel in the cab and did this have any effect on the incident etc.

To more to an extreme, if the second person was driving the train at the time of the incident etc. It get serious very quickly, simply isn’t worth the hassle, pay to use a passenger train!

After a few years you’ll do all you can to avoid being in the cab unless you have to be - the novelty wears off pretty quickly.

 

[Crazyb]

Don't quote me on this, but the Clapham Jcn crash in 1988, I'm sure there was a driver killed that cut someone out on the way to work, or there were 2 drivers up the front.

Like Tom said....you don't want the RIAB or the ORR on your case !!!! but I do like reading people thoughts on the railway though, especially the 11% pay rise for Freightliner drivers I see on a forum somewhere.

 

[4F89]

11%! Hahahaha!

 

[Tom Quinne]

Don't quote me on this, but the Clapham Jcn crash in 1988, I'm sure there was a driver killed that cut someone out on the way to work, or there were 2 drivers up the front.

Like Tom said....you don't want the RIAB or the ORR on your case !!!! but I do like reading people thoughts on the railway though, especially the 11% pay rise for Freightliner drivers I see on a forum somewhere.

Quite possibly regards Clapham..certainly at Cowden a few years later there was a unproven suspicion the guard was at least in the front end and maybe* driving at the time of the collision.

*based on prior history of being caught upfront.

 

[boogie]

You’ll get told in your induction mate they do a section on it

thanks for the simple answer I was looking for, I think I opened a can of worms for a simple question LOL