Freight Train Incident @ Elmswell

[suffolk_lp3]

Reports on Greater Anglia and NRE of a incident involving a Freight train currently blocking lines at Elmswell this evening.

Sounds quite serious, anyone with any more information?

 

[High Dyke]

Nowt that'll make the world news... Report of a driver passing a signal at danger. That's all.

 

[tsr]

All lines now appear to be clear of the incident.

 

[dk1]

4L22 suffered a Cat "A" SPAD at Haughley Jn. Further information suggests that the train passed the signal by the whole train length
and more, and only stopped at the next signal.

 

[YorkshireBear]

4L22 suffered a Cat "A" SPAD at Haughley Jn. Further information suggests that the train passed the signal by the whole train length
and more, and only stopped at the next signal.

Oops, that is one hell of a SPAD, could of course be many reasons.

What can happen if a driver has a Cat SPAD through incompetence?

 

[BravoGolfMike]

"Incompetence" is such a broad and clumsy term to use in this context and I can guarantee you will never read a SPAD report which uses the word. "Momentary lapse of concentration," "rushing," "over-familiarity" are the sorts of driver error terms used. Then a plan can be put together to ensure that the driver doesn't have a repeat incident.
Usual sanctions after an incident will be extra ride outs and downloads but the aim is not to punish, more to check that the action plan is being followed.

 

[YorkshireBear]

"Incompetence" is such a broad and clumsy term to use in this context and I can guarantee you will never read a SPAD report which uses the word. "Momentary lapse of concentration," "rushing," "over-familiarity" are the sorts of driver error terms used. Then a plan can be put together to ensure that the driver doesn't have a repeat incident.
Usual sanctions after an incident will be extra ride outs and downloads but the aim is not to punish, more to check that the action plan is being followed.

Thank you, obviously i knew nothing about it so thanks for that.

 

[BravoGolfMike]

No problem.

 

[edwin_m]

4L22 suffered a Cat "A" SPAD at Haughley Jn. Further information suggests that the train passed the signal by the whole train length
and more, and only stopped at the next signal.

If the driver fails to react to the signal, for whatever reason, and no TPWS is provided then the train will carry on until it is stopped by driver/TPWS reacting to a signal further down the line, by radio or other emergency message or by hitting something. SPADs are classified by overrun length and you sometimes see one of several miles in the statistics, which is likey to be one like this where there happens to be a long distance to the next stop signal.

 

[GB]

Question has already been asked why it took so long for network rail to stop the train.

 

[richw]

Will such incidents always be driver error, or are we just as likely to find a technical issue or malfunction with equipment?

 

[Carlisle]

Will such incidents always be driver error, or are we just as likely to find a technical issue or malfunction with equipment?

Carstairs and Carrbridge incidents come to mind for the latter reason

 

[edwin_m]

"Stopped at the next signal" suggests driver error, but there is always the possibility of some other factor.

 

[455driver]

There is only one type of SPAD and that is a CAT A, all others were redesignated earlier in the year.

They probably left the CAT A as a CAT A because it sounds so sinister whereas CAT B or CAT C doesnt have the same ring to it!

 

[TheEdge]

There is only one type of SPAD and that is a CAT A, all others were redesignated earlier in the year.

They probably left the CAT A as a CAT A because it sounds so sinister whereas CAT B or CAT C doesnt have the same ring to it!

I thought they'd decided to call everything a SPAD now and then apply the relevant subtitle. But still let everyone use the CAT system as everyone knows what they mean!

 

[carriageline]

CAT A is driver error.

Any other type of SPAD (signaller replaced in error, equipment failure, replaced following rules) are now known as "operational irregularities"

It's more to shift focus on to why the signal was passed and the consequences of that, as opposed to focusing on the actual event of the signal being passed.



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[Muzer]

"Incompetence" is such a broad and clumsy term to use in this context and I can guarantee you will never read a SPAD report which uses the word. "Momentary lapse of concentration," "rushing," "over-familiarity" are the sorts of driver error terms used. Then a plan can be put together to ensure that the driver doesn't have a repeat incident.
Usual sanctions after an incident will be extra ride outs and downloads but the aim is not to punish, more to check that the action plan is being followed.

Though I doubt the report used the term, "incompetence" on almost all parts is the only way I could describe that Stafford SPAD a while back, at least from my interpretation of the RAIB report. Fortunately this sort is definitely very rare and I doubt I'd ever hear of a larger TOC/FOC having a similar occurrence.

 

[Mojo]

CAT A is driver error.

Any other type of SPAD (signaller replaced in error, equipment failure, replaced following rules) are now known as "operational irregularities"

Whilst you are right in that Category B, C and D are now no longer known as Spads; Cat A Spads are not always down to driver/operator error. Depending on the circumstances; A2, A3 and A4 might not be attributable to the driver.