Freight off the road Langworth Lincs

[DarloRich]

BBC Look North tonight (Yorks & Lincs) showed footage of construction of a temporary access road by cutting away the verges of a bridle path and filling in a ditch.

to get the recovery cranes in i should think

 

[fsmr]

link to BBC look North 01/07/2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b060588x/look-north-east-yorkshire-and-lincolnshire-01072015


Sorry the Iplayer episode has now expired but they discussed issues with freight going over the bridge in Market Rasen town

 

[dave12435]

I think it looks worse than it is
However I can understand why people are concerned about if it happened on the section through the centre of Lincoln or Market Rasen

 

[alexl92]

hock:

That is more than a simple derailment: it is a train wreck!

Dear goodness me... how?! I was expecting wagons sitting slightly off track, not looking like they'd the victim of a Top Gear caravan experiment!

 

[lincolnshire]

Back in the day - BR would have just tipped the lot over into the field and cleared the line. These are , of course , privately owned wagons .....in the case of the standard BR wagon so many existed (and they cost very little) - it was a prudent policy. I recall many similar derailments in South Wales where this happened. Many of the wagons were in poor overall condition - so dropped springs etc happened and caused carnage. Loaded wagons (coal) were dealt with by the local community.

One gathers the loco and first 9 or so tanks reained on the line and the rest went pretty well everywhere.

Very well said, the above is a true fact and the line would have most probably been reopened for traffic the following morning.

But now we seem to have everyone involved even B.T. Police as it might be a crime scene and then who,s going to pay department, is it DB,s loco fault or the privately owned wagons ( or as the BBC in the morning on both TV and Radio described them as carriages ) or is it Network Rails fault and it goes on and on before we can even make a start on clearing the line.

Get the breakdown train and breakdown crane out get the stuff shifted used to be the way, now its build a road and get in a huge crane at god knows what cost because we have had to pull it off another job or be brought in from miles away. The cost must running into £ ? just to move a few tanks and clear up the mess and who,s going to foot the bill I wonder?

How times have changed and not for the better.

 

[High Dyke]

Get the breakdown train and breakdown crane out get the stuff shifted used to be the way, now its build a road and get in a huge crane at god knows what cost because we have had to pull it off another job or be brought in from miles away. The cost must running into £ ? just to move a few tanks and clear up the mess and who,s going to foot the bill I wonder?

How times have changed and not for the better.

I heard it cost half a million pound for the crane alone. As you mention get in rail cranes - oh no we aren't a proper railway anymore...breakdown cranes don't benefit shareholders.

As for tipping the wagons out of the way...i seem to recall seeing the upturned chassis of a 4-wheeler, possibly an MGR wagon, on the Manton - Corby line, somewhere near to Wing tunnel many years ago.

 

[DarloRich]

there are issues involved in lifting operations and the governance around them has changed substantially in the fairly recent past. Take a look at Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations 1998 (LOLER)

it sadly isn't as simple as it one was, sadly - especially if you need a tandem lift which you may with a rail crane

 

[lincolnshire]

I heard it cost half a million pound for the crane alone. As you mention get in rail cranes - oh no we aren't a proper railway anymore...breakdown cranes don't benefit shareholders.

As for tipping the wagons out of the way...i seem to recall seeing the upturned chassis of a 4-wheeler, possibly an MGR wagon, on the Manton - Corby line, somewhere near to Wing tunnel many years ago.

Very well said the above is true, we are not a proper railway anymore or as I have described it we are not joined up anymore.

Yes I too remember seeing the cement wagons in the field weeks later after the Cliffe to Uddingston cement train derailed heading up the East Coast mainline on the slow north of York and writing off DP2 and ripping the sides out of the coaches and killing so many passengers that was heading up the fast line.
Even that didn't shut the railway for as long as what happens now.

Wonder what the final bill will be then £?, 000,000 or more 000,s

 

[Dr_Paul]

I've just had a quick look at a book on the Harrow and Wealdstone crash of 8 October 1952, the second most costly (in human life) accident on British railways. Despite the massive damage to the three trains involved and to the station infrastructure, such was the clearing operation that all of the six lines through the station were back in operation within five days, with some being back in operation within two days of the accident. It is probably relevant that several breakdown cranes were rapidly on the scene, but would there be other reasons why in the past even major incidents seemed to have been cleared up somewhat quicker than less major ones today?

 

[DarloRich]

I've just had a quick look at a book on the Harrow and Wealdstone crash of 8 October 1952, the second most costly (in human life) accident on British railways. Despite the massive damage to the three trains involved and to the station infrastructure, such was the clearing operation that all of the six lines through the station were back in operation within five days, with some being back in operation within two days of the accident. It is probably relevant that several breakdown cranes were rapidly on the scene, but would there be other reasons why in the past even major incidents seemed to have been cleared up somewhat quicker than less major ones today?

yes look at the LOLAR regualtions!

 

[Tomnick]

I heard it cost half a million pound for the crane alone. As you mention get in rail cranes - oh no we aren't a proper railway anymore...breakdown cranes don't benefit shareholders.

As for tipping the wagons out of the way...i seem to recall seeing the upturned chassis of a 4-wheeler, possibly an MGR wagon, on the Manton - Corby line, somewhere near to Wing tunnel many years ago.

We were only talking about that yesterday, prompted by some photos of the temporary alterations that were quickly made to work traffic normally in both directions over the Up line. It's just north of Seaton Tunnel, I believe, just short of the viaduct.

 

[Mark_H]

The line has reopened today, but with significant speed restrictions over the affected section, added to which the signalling in the area has failed. Clearly the job isn't quite finished even after 9 days work.

 

[High Dyke]

We were only talking about that yesterday, prompted by some photos of the temporary alterations that were quickly made to work traffic normally in both directions over the Up line. It's just north of Seaton Tunnel, I believe, just short of the viaduct.

I knew it was somewhere in that vicinity. I once went out to photograph MML units diverted that way due to engineering, which shows how long ago it was.

The line has reopened today, but with significant speed restrictions over the affected section, added to which the signalling in the area has failed. Clearly the job isn't quite finished even after 9 days work.

Ooh the Mem will be pleased. Then again it's her weekend off so won't be back until Wednesday.

 

[fsmr]

The RAIB is already stating track buckling as likely cause , presumably due to the heatwave that day on their opening report released today

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/derailment-near-langworth-lincoln

The train, reporting number 6E54, was the 10.39 hrs service from Kingsbury Oil Terminal to Humber Oil Refinery. It consisted of a Class 60 locomotive and 22 empty, diesel fuel, tank wagons. The train was travelling at approximately 48 mph (77 km/h) approaching 101B facing points, when the driver reported that he saw a kink in the left-hand rail. Shortly afterwards, the train’s brakes automatically applied bringing it to a stand.

Wagons 11, 12 and 13 from the leading end had derailed, each by one bogie, but remained upright. The train had then separated at the trailing end of wagon 13 and there was a gap of about 250 metres to the rest of the train. The following six tank wagons, ie wagons 14 to 19, left the track completely and some rolled over. Wagon 20 was derailed by the leading bogie and wagons 21 and 22 remained on the track. The separation of the train had caused the continuous brake pipe to part applying the brakes to the whole train.

There were no injuries, however, substantial damage was caused to the infrastructure, including the points and signalling equipment. Sixteen of the wagons were later recovered by rail. Wagons 14 to 19 were recovered by crane and transported from the site by road. There were no reports of any leakage of diesel fuel residue from the tanks.

RAIB has obtained CCTV images of the site of the accident at around 12:45 hrs. These appear to show a track buckle forming close to 101B facing points.

Our investigation will examine the sequence of events leading up to and during the derailment, the maintenance of the infrastructure and its preparation for hot weather and any relevant management issues.

Our investigation is independent of any investigation by the railway industry or the Office of Rail and Road (ORR). We will publish our findings, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of our investigation; these will be available on our website.

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We were only talking about that yesterday, prompted by some photos of the temporary alterations that were quickly made to work traffic normally in both directions over the Up line. It's just north of Seaton Tunnel, I believe, just short of the viaduct.

We were on the down Kettering Leicester IC125 diverted over that line for weekend possessions of the MML south of Leicester and I reported the coach we were in bucked badly as we went through the section after Glaston the following freight wasn't so lucky!!
Car was at Kettering, MML was out for the day so no way of getting back to the car, ended up getting family member to drive from oakham to Leicester and then take us to Kettering to recover car

Day trip over Haringworth on an IC125 didn't seem so great after that with the wife !

 

[edwin_m]

I heard it cost half a million pound for the crane alone. As you mention get in rail cranes - oh no we aren't a proper railway anymore...breakdown cranes don't benefit shareholders.

I imagine several of the big Kirow cranes would have been available during the daytime, as their work is mainly under possession. Or some planned work could have been postponed, as happened on a larger scale with the WCML blockade after the Harbury cutting slip.

However a rail crane is of limited use in moving debris that isn't within reach of the remaining rails, and has to be cleared before the rails can be put back!

 

[2HAP]

RAIB report has been published today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...data/file/531688/R112016_160627_Langworth.pdf