Freight multiple unit train and freight tram - They are really the future？

[D365]

That’s rather getting away from the point of HS2 and, more specifically, why freight multiple units are not likely in any shape.

 

[RobShipway]

That’s rather getting away from the point of HS2 and, more specifically, why freight multiple units are not likely in any shape.

Whose to say if a tunnel between Gatwick and Heathrow was built for trains, whose to say that it would not be a multiple unit. There has been a similar example of this in London, in the shape of the underground mail trains that ran.

 

[Irascible]

Whose to say if a tunnel between Gatwick and Heathrow was built for trains, whose to say that it would not be a multiple unit. There has been a similar example of this in London, in the shape of the underground mail trains that ran.

We have had multiple units for mail for 25 years anyway. That doesn't show MUs are suitable for anything else... ( if you class parcel traffic as "mail" at least ).

 

[EllieAquitrain]

Yes there is no mention of freight either, so HS2 is a new line being built for the country to have a better rail network which I would have thought, would include freight!

Without actually looking, I assume there's no mention of Watford DC or Cross-City commuter services running on HS2 either? But these are part of the rail network HS2 is supposed to be improving???

 

[RobShipway]

Without actually looking, I assume there's no mention of Watford DC or Cross-City commuter services running on HS2 either? But these are part of the rail network HS2 is supposed to be improving???

The only mention is that of being able to change trains at Old Oak Common station to London Overground/Great Western Railway trains, not for those trains to be used on HS2. So where you currently have trains that get you from London Paddington to Reading within about 35 minutes, then these same trains after also stopping at Old Oak Common will take nearer to 45 minutes to Reading, if all fast service trains stop. Hopefully, it would be the case that only the trains that would have been stopping Slough, then Reading are the ones that also stop at Old Oak Common. But that would only be giving about one train an hour westbound.

 

[swt_passenger]

The only mention is that of being able to change trains at Old Oak Common station to London Overground/Great Western Railway trains, not for those trains to be used on HS2. So where you currently have trains that get you from London Paddington to Reading within about 35 minutes, then these same trains after also stopping at Old Oak Common will take nearer to 45 minutes to Reading, if all fast service trains stop. Hopefully, it would be the case that only the trains that would have been stopping Slough, then Reading are the ones that also stop at Old Oak Common. But that would only be giving about one train an hour westbound.

Then you must have missed previous discussions quoting Network Rail route strategy docs where they’ve said all GWR trains will call. Which is presumably why there are 8 platforms.

 

[Bald Rick]

The only mention is that of being able to change trains at Old Oak Common station to London Overground/Great Western Railway trains, not for those trains to be used on HS2. So where you currently have trains that get you from London Paddington to Reading within about 35 minutes, then these same trains after also stopping at Old Oak Common will take nearer to 45 minutes to Reading, if all fast service trains stop. Hopefully, it would be the case that only the trains that would have been stopping Slough, then Reading are the ones that also stop at Old Oak Common. But that would only be giving about one train an hour westbound.

Whilst there was some doubt at one point, all GWR services are planned to call. The stop will cost 3 minutes, so fast trains that are currently timed to take 23 minutes to Reading will in future take 26.

 

[RobShipway]

Whilst there was some doubt at one point, all GWR services are planned to call. The stop will cost 3 minutes, so fast trains that are currently timed to take 23 minutes to Reading will in future take 26.

Then you must have missed previous discussions quoting Network Rail route strategy docs where they’ve said all GWR trains will call. Which is presumably why there are 8 platforms.

Okay, thought that might be the case, but did not want to state it, in case I was wrong. I preferred to be corrected as has been done.

 

[HSTEd]

Whilst there was some doubt at one point, all GWR services are planned to call. The stop will cost 3 minutes, so fast trains that are currently timed to take 23 minutes to Reading will in future take 26.

All this really makes me think something dramatic should be done to the West London Line to improve its service frequency etc.

With the GWML and HS2 at one end and a large part of the ex Southern Region at the eother end, it might be one of the most important connections in the railway system at that point.

 

[zwk500]

All this really makes me think something dramatic should be done to the West London Line to improve its service frequency etc.

The only thing you can do to dramatically increase the service frequency is to 4-track it or kick all the freight off it to go via Kew and Clapham Junction. Good luck finding spare paths through Tulse Hill and Herne Hill for any freight that currently uses the Brighton slows

 

[edwin_m]

Whilst there was some doubt at one point, all GWR services are planned to call. The stop will cost 3 minutes, so fast trains that are currently timed to take 23 minutes to Reading will in future take 26.

It's said again in July Modern Railways that all trains are planned to stop.

 

[EllieAquitrain]

The only mention is that of being able to change trains at Old Oak Common station to London Overground/Great Western Railway trains, not for those trains to be used on HS2. So where you currently have trains that get you from London Paddington to Reading within about 35 minutes, then these same trains after also stopping at Old Oak Common will take nearer to 45 minutes to Reading, if all fast service trains stop. Hopefully, it would be the case that only the trains that would have been stopping Slough, then Reading are the ones that also stop at Old Oak Common. But that would only be giving about one train an hour westbound.

Yeah I should've been clearer I was making fun of your message effectively saying no part of the railway will benefit from HS2 unless its trains can actually run on that line.