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CountryBoy

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Good afternoon,
I've recently been placed on the Transport for Wales talent pool, so fingers crossed I'll hear something soon.
Just a minor question I'm curious about. Does free travel apply across TOC's, or generally just your employer?
My partner and I like regular trips to London, and I'd love to have more to spend when we get there:lol:
 
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You get a staff travel card (priv) which entitles you to 75% off on other TOCs. Sometimes TOCs have a free travel agreement with other TOCs or if they operate under the same parent company for example Abellio, then you might get free travel. Generally people in you own depot will be clued up on travel arrangements.
 

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:DGood afternoon,
I've recently been placed on the Transport for Wales talent pool, so fingers crossed I'll hear something soon.
Just a minor question I'm curious about. Does free travel apply across TOC's, or generally just your employer?
My partner and I like regular trips to London, and I'd love to have more to spend when we get there
Congratulations. It depends on the rank.

For example, the TOC I’ve recently joined offers all staff free standard class travel on their services (with a few free first class returns), ten free return tickets on sister companies (Don’t think TfW have any though) and 75% off standard class and anytime First Class rail travel on other companies. After six months, family can benefit too from £6 daily unlimited on my TOC and the same as me on other companies, if with me.

I believe though, that the 75% off travel on other companies is the Priv system which gives you different benefits if you’ve worked for longer or do a more senior job, like 75% off all first class travel or free travel on all TOCs.
 

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Thanks for that, TT-ON-NRN. I'll obviously get all the detail when I start (Trainee Conductor) but the general principle sound like an appealing bonus.
I can't wait now, it's been a long slow process. Every email alert on my phone is opened with eager anticipation.
 

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Yes each TOC is slightly different in what they offer.

But the minimum seems to be free duty, leisure and residental travel for an employee & free leisure & residential (NOT duty/commuting*) for a spouse on your specific TOC. Then 75% off leisure travel on all other TOCs as a Rail Staff Leisure Card ("priv") normally after six months of service.

*This is important - several staff have got into bother after their spouse/partner has used the pass for commuting to work.
 

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Unless your network rail, then you get zero unless your protected from BR service.
 

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Great stuff, thank you.
TfW is free travel on TfW only for yourself, partner (if living at the same address) and children up to a certain age. You are eligible for these from day 1.

You also get the Priv card, also for eligible partner/children- which is 75% discount on other tocs for walk up on the day fares - ie not advance tickets, and standard class only.
 

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Good afternoon,
I've recently been placed on the Transport for Wales talent pool, so fingers crossed I'll hear something soon.
Just a minor question I'm curious about. Does free travel apply across TOC's, or generally just your employer?
My partner and I like regular trips to London, and I'd love to have more to spend when we get there:lol:
The main facility is a staff pass giving free travel on your own TOC, available for you and your partner and dependents. Note that in TfW's case, the partner's/dependents' pass is not valid for commuting or business travel, only for leisure travel.

Some TOCs offer free or heavily discounted travel on sister operators, but unfortunately this ceased to be the case on TfW when Arriva lost the franchise a few years ago.

There is also the Rail Staff Leisure Card (commonly known as a "Priv") entitling you and your partner/dependents to 75% off walk-up standard class tickets (not Advances) for leisure travel on other TOCs. As the name suggests, this facility is only valid for leisure travel and cannot be used for commuting or business travel.

If you need to commute on another TOC (assuming you don't have a staff pass etc. entitling you to travel with them), you can apply to Rail Staff Travel Limited (RSTL), the industry company that administers staff travel facilities, to get a 75% discounted season ticket or Flexi Season. This is similarly also available for your partner and dependents.

The Priv discount is currently only available when buying tickets at a ticket office; if your boarding station doesn't have a ticket office then you should board the train and obtain a ticket at the first available opportunity. There will soon be an online site where you can buy Priv discounted tickets, however this won't change the above (it will just make it quicker if you don't want to have to queue at the ticket office).

The discount can also be applied to an Oyster card at any TfL Rail/Crossrail run station, to get 75% off leisure travel on National Rail (this includes TfL Rail and London Overground). However you get no discount on Tube, bus etc. travel - including journeys which involve a mixture of NR and Tube.

After a year's employment, you will also be entitled to FIP facilities (again, administered by RSTL). These give you a 50-75% discount, as well as an annual allocation of free coupons, for travel on virtually all European state railway operators, as well as a few private operators and ferry companies.

The usefulness of this facility varies significantly by country; in some countries (e.g. Switzerland) virtually all trains are covered, whereas in others, you may have to pay a supplement (e.g. most high speed trains in Italy, Spain and France) or there may be few services still ran by the national operator (e.g. parts of Germany). The discount is also only off walk-up fares, so it may be cheaper to buy a public-rate "Advance"-type ticket.

There are some restrictions on the use of staff travel facilities, both here and abroad. RSTL produce a very useful introduction to staff travel facilities, as well as full guides to domestic and foreign facilities and restrictions. As you will have joined after 1996, you will be considered a 'non safeguarded' employee, meaning that the facilities you get are discretionary and could be changed or withdrawn at any time.

Beyond these official facilities, there are some staff who 'flash' their Priv to travel for free. However, this is not allowed and if you (or your family) were to be caught misusing your facilities in this way, you could lose all facilities (temporarily or permanently) as well as potentially facing disciplinary action. It is true that many guards etc. still accept this, considering anyone who works for one of the TOCs to be part of the 'railway family' - but it only takes one person to report you, for you to lose it all.
 
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Unless your network rail, then you get zero unless your protected from BR service.
What you do get is a 75% discount off the cost of a season ticket and there is a local agreement on the Wessex route for free travel on SWR. Not as good as the TOCs admittedly, but still better than freight I believe?
 

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What you do get is a 75% discount off the cost of a season ticket and there is a local agreement on the Wessex route for free travel on SWR. Not as good as the TOCs admittedly, but still better than freight I believe?
Which seems somewhat baffling as Network Rail 'provide and maintain' the track and infrastructure so that TOCs can operate.
 

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What you do get is a 75% discount off the cost of a season ticket and there is a local agreement on the Wessex route for free travel on SWR. Not as good as the TOCs admittedly, but still better than freight I believe?

Sorry to intrude on this thread but just to point out the Network Rail season ticket offer is a loan, you have to pay it back.
 

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Sorry to intrude on this thread but just to point out the Network Rail season ticket offer is a loan, you have to pay it back.
There are two different things at play here - firstly, NR staff nominally get 75% off an annual or 6 monthly season ticket, up to a maximum discount of £2750 a year. Secondly they can get a loan to repay this in 10 (for an annual season) or 5 (for a 6 monthly season) pay packets.

However, this discount is considered a benefit in kind and hence is liable to both income tax and NI contributions, so in reality you only get 51% or 43.5% off, depending on whether you're a standard or higher rate taxpayer.

This contrasts with TOC employees, for whom their travel benefits aren't considered a benefit in kind, owing to a 1990s tax ruling about discounted private school fees (Hart v Pepper if you're interested).
 
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Unless your network rail, then you get zero unless your protected from BR service.
Apart from the season ticket mentioned elsewhere, on this thread, there are many Network Rail staff that do not receive any Rail Staff Travel.

I began under Railtrack and did not qualify for any Priv travel, though have since obtained non-safeguarded travel through my wife (she works for a TOC).

It will vary from TOC to TOC as to what Priv travel any new starter will receive.
 
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Good afternoon,
I've recently been placed on the Transport for Wales talent pool, so fingers crossed I'll hear something soon.
Just a minor question I'm curious about. Does free travel apply across TOC's, or generally just your employer?
My partner and I like regular trips to London, and I'd love to have more to spend when we get there:lol:
Well done for passing your interview. Thats fantastic news. Well done for making it this far. What depot are you applying for? Im in the talent pool as well for Machynlleth in North Wales waiting to hear back for a start date and medical. Been waiting since April last year. Hope to see you on a training course soon I hope.
 

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Although the 75% discount is only for 2nd class you can marry it up with seat frog or weekend first to travel in first class, no discounts on those however.
 

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Does anyone know what the GWR/HEX staff passes are like? Do you only get a certain number of free rides etc.?
 

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Does anyone know what the GWR/HEX staff passes are like? Do you only get a certain number of free rides etc.?
If you work for GWR you get a staff pass entitling you to unlimited free travel on all GWR services. HEX drivers have now been transferred into GWR so receive the same - but not other HEX staff I wouldn't have thought. Can anyone confirm?

If you work for any of the FirstGroup TOCs you get an annual set of 10 boxes which you can use on all of the other FG TOCs. Each time you date a box it's valid on that day and the following day.
 
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The Priv discount is currently only available when buying tickets at a ticket office; if your boarding station doesn't have a ticket office then you should board the train and obtain a ticket at the first available opportunity. There will soon be an online site where you can buy Priv discounted tickets, however this won't change the above (it will just make it quicker if you don't want to have to queue at the ticket office).

The site is now up and running here - https://www.railstafftravel.com/rst/en/account/Login It looks it was designed in 1997 but it works OK
 

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Which seems somewhat baffling as Network Rail 'provide and maintain' the track and infrastructure so that TOCs can operate.

But Network Rail charge for such services. The travel concessions for TOCS are reciprocal, ie we let your staff travel for free you let our staff travel for free.

Hopefully when GBR is up and running travel concessions will be extended to everyone under that umbrella (ie NR staff)
 

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Hopefully when GBR is up and running travel concessions will be extended to everyone under that umbrella (ie NR staff)

I would not raise your hopes on that front - if anything I can see travel benefits coming under threat rather than being expanded.
 

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But Network Rail charge for such services. The travel concessions for TOCS are reciprocal, ie we let your staff travel for free you let our staff travel for free.

Hopefully when GBR is up and running travel concessions will be extended to everyone under that umbrella (ie NR staff)
You would like to think so, but who would have the say in deciding something like that? The DfT presumably?

One wonders whether the DfT would try and make this part of a pay deal which the unions are obviously currently fighting for.
 

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I would not raise your hopes on that front - if anything I can see travel benefits coming under threat rather than being expanded.
I don’t think that will happen anytime soon. First group won and have extended their NRC for TPE by 4 years with the potential for a further 4 (8 years total)

That seems to suggest that the current NRC system is here to stay for a while yet and therefore operator specific benefits (such as First TOC boxes) probably will do as well.
 

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What about Freight TOCs?
Freight employees get nowt, unless they joined before 31 March 1996 and have remained in employment in the industry ever since (meaning they are 'safeguarded').
 

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If you work for GWR you get a staff pass entitling you to unlimited free travel on all GWR services. HEX drivers have now been transferred into GWR so receive the same - but not other HEX staff I wouldn't have thought. Can anyone confirm?

If you work for any of the FirstGroup TOCs you get an annual set of 10 boxes which you can use on all of the other FG TOCs. Each time you date a box it's valid on that day and the following day.

99% sure that all HEX railway staff are now GWR employees.
 

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99% sure that all HEX railway staff are now GWR employees.
They are not. HEX has their own on board and sales staff. Transferred to GWR were drivers, dispatchers and gateline in Paddington, plus management for those grades.
Station staff at Heathrow were transferred over to Heathrow Rail, sister company to HEX.
Does anyone know what the GWR/HEX staff passes are like? Do you only get a certain number of free rides etc.?
If you work for GWR you get a staff pass entitling you to unlimited free travel on all GWR services. HEX drivers have now been transferred into GWR so receive the same - but not other HEX staff I wouldn't have thought. Can anyone confirm?

If you work for any of the FirstGroup TOCs you get an annual set of 10 boxes which you can use on all of the other FG TOCs. Each time you date a box it's valid on that day and the following day.
HEX staff get Priv and FIP, plus free travel on GWR between Paddington and Reading (no free travel on Elizabeth line).
 
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They are not. HEX has their own on board and sales staff. Transferred to GWR were drivers, dispatchers and gateline in Paddington, plus management for those grades.
Station staff at Heathrow were transferred over to Heathrow Rail, sister company to HEX.


HEX staff get Priv and FIP, plus free travel on GWR between Paddington and Reading (no free travel on Elizabeth line).

Regarding the Elizabeth Line, does anyone know what the situation regarding priv travel is? I assume that as its run on behalf of TfL that there isn't any?
 

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Regarding the Elizabeth Line, does anyone know what the situation regarding priv travel is? I assume that as its run on behalf of TfL that there isn't any?
TfL Rail is also part of the National Rail and Priv works on it. You can use Priv tickets or Priv Oyster.

The only difference is, you can't break a journey in central section. So, if you buy ticket from Slough to Abbey Wood, you can break the journey in Hayes and Harlington but not at Tottenham Court Road. However you can buy a ticket to TCR and then exit there.
 
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