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Fraudulent Refunds

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Nika123

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Hello Guys i hope you can help me.
I receive some email about refunds from Fraud Digital Team.
How can i contact them?.
I tried to email them but i cant send any emails on that email address what they gave me.
Any idea what can i do?

Thank you
 
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island

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What company did the email come from?

what precisely does it say?
 

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I think the OP has removed the e-mail as it gave a reference number. I think it was about or from West Midlands Trains and suggested they were unhappy about refunds, but the OP will have to post it again or copy it with more details obliterated than when originally posted.
 

Nika123

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I think the OP has removed the e-mail as it gave a reference number. I think it was about or from West Midlands Trains and suggested they were unhappy about refunds, but the OP will have to post it again or copy it with more details obliterated than when originally posted.
I removed the pic of email but yes ths eamil i got was from Trainline

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Nothing yet..i sent fews email but nothing happened yet.There is any other options i can contact them?
So you’ve sent an email but not heard back?

Earlier you said you weren’t able to send emails to that address at all. Which is it?
 

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The letter extract in post 4 above stinks, because it doesn't allow for the possibility that the railway has got it wrong here. Basically it says that regardless of the OP's response they will either give the OP an opportunity to pay or prosecute them.
Sorry, this probably doesn't help, but it's both arrogant and prejudicial to my reading, the latter being more important perhaps. There is a sneaky interpretation in which all claims can be proved to be correct, in which case no action will be taken, but it's badly worded in my opinion. With the intent of scaring the OP clearly.
 

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They say that you have made an excessive amount of refund requests, and that they are potentially fraudulent. So things to think about (but not necessarily answer here) - how many refunds have you requested and why did you request those refunds? Have you been entitled to the refunds you've made or have you refunded tickets you used?
 

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Surely the “proved to be made fraudulently” sentence would mean the emphasis is on the TOC/Trainline to substantiate their claims?
 

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They say that you have made an excessive amount of refund requests, and that they are potentially fraudulent. So things to think about (but not necessarily answer here) - how many refunds have you requested and why did you request those refunds? Have you been entitled to the refunds you've made or have you refunded tickets you used?
This is good advice. If all of your claims for refunds are legitimate (you bought the ticket but you didn't make the journey - it's not a matter of whether your ticket was checked but whether you used it) then tell the railway that. Challenge them to present their evidence of why they think you have been defrauding them.

If on the other hand you have been making refund claims that you shouldn't, then you need to be looking to see if you can negotiate the best way to resolve this. Work out what refund claims you have made that were legitimate and which ones weren't. Work out how much money you have had back that you shouldn't. That will tell you the very least that the railway will be wanting - and they will also want the cost of their investigation.

As the email suggests, the railway have details of what refund claims you have made, although they don't know why you made the claims. So while you don't need to incriminate yourself, don't try to say something that the railway know isn't true.

If I understand you correctly, you have already emailed the railway. So wait for them to get back to you (which could take some weeks or a few months) and depending on what they say, think about what I have said here.
 

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Something we have noticed previously is that some passengers confuse ticket refunds with Delay Repay. Did you ask for tickets to be refunded because you no longer wanted them and had not used them (for example, you bought tickets in advance and then the day you wanted to use them there were no trains due to strikes etc) or did you use the tickets, but the train was delayed on either the outward or return (or both) journey and you wanted to get some compensation for the delay under the Delay Repay scheme?
 

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We really need to know more information to give proper advice:

- How many refunds have you had? How does this compare to the number of ticket you've purchased?
- What is the reason for them - did you decide not to travel, was their disruption? Have you been 'chancing it'?
- Have you erroneously requested refunds for late running trains rather than claiming delay repay?
- What did you say in your reply to them?
 
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