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Recently I have seen a number of threads on this forum where people are asking for advice following contact with a TOC about irregularities on ticketing purchases that id ringing alarm bells.

In some cases the user has admitted to dough nutting (not having a ticket for the entire journey).

I am just interested in what raises such a flag. If you look at my account, I purchase child tickets, Senior Tickets, Disabled Railcard Tickets and then of course normal tickets.I have not clue if an AI algorithm would think why, or just let it go. I know the is nothing wrong with me purchasing tickets for other people to use.Just interested to know what they is viewed as suspicious.

Dough Nutting is probably easy to spot, but others I have seen on here could very easily be legitimate
 
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Dough Nutting is probably easy to spot, but others I have seen on here could very easily be legitimate
You have to put these letters into two categories really. Greater Anglia have been seen to send letters based on analysis of purchasing patterns and, presumably, eTicket scans as well as others based on refunds. West Midlands Trains do the same but also have the rather silly habit of investigating those who have been issued a Penalty Fare which often seems to be based on the idea that "we've caught you once so you must have been doing something wrong with all these other tickets".
If you look at my account, I purchase child tickets, Senior Tickets, Disabled Railcard Tickets and then of course normal tickets.
It's likely that the pattern of buying you have simply indicates buying for a number of different people which is not, in itself, suspicious.
 

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In some cases the user has admitted to dough nutting (not having a ticket for the entire journey).

I am just interested in what raises such a flag.
Purchase of a ticket from A to B and from C to D probably within minutes of one another would be fairly easy to spot, particularly if it was nearly every day. There are also pairs of stations such as Wembley Stadium and Marylebone where anyone making the trips legitimately would not purchase on a daily basis from the likes of Trainline.
 

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Very true, I remember in the past a revenue block in Edinburgh where everyone had got on at South Gyle. The RPIs that were there even gave them a get out of jail with “are you sure?” What they didn’t know was South Gyle was blocked by RPIs so everyone getting on there had a ticket. (Granted they could have split but they would have had the other half of the split to show the RPI).

I can see that if someone is caught why I TOC would be going through all history. Likewise gated stations would look suspicious when contract less / oyster would probably be preferable.

I have noticed an irritation at WGC recently that my key is often shows as“Autotouch” which implies I didn’t touch in, odd as the card opened the gate. No drama’s unless you need to make a delay claim, as it shows entry time as 30 minutes before exit time.
 

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What we must remember is that almost all of these cases are where the passenger has done something wrong. It might not be as severe as letters claim, it might not be deliberate but there are very very few cases we see here (and I can only assume that is the same in actual cases numbers in reality) where the passenger has done nothing at all wrong.
 

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What we must remember is that almost all of these cases are where the passenger has done something wrong. It might not be as severe as letters claim, it might not be deliberate but there are very very few cases we see here (and I can only assume that is the same in actual cases numbers in reality) where the passenger has done nothing at all wrong.
They are, and I don't personally object to a passenger's travel history being inspected if they're caught fare evading; but sometimes the requests from the TOCs are pretty egregious. For example, it seems somewhat common now for a operator to demand a passenger's proof of having previously held a railcard when seeing railcard tickets in their purchase history. While it's increasingly common for people to order railcards online and therefore may have retained the email receipt, there are people who simply delete such emails, others who buy at ticket offices (especially for e.g. Disabled railcards), etc.

If the operator wants to pursue a prosecution, the onus is on them to prove their case, not for the defendant to prove their innocence. A lot of these notices of intended prosecution don't include suitable advice that anything the passenger says in response may be used as evidence if a prosecution is pursued. The advice of solicitors would in many such cases be to not respond to such questions and deal only with the case of fare evasion which actually has evidence. Not always, but often.

There is also the issue of operators using letter templates which strongly suggest prosecution when in practice they have no intention of pursuing it. Add in to these letters that some operators quote the maximum sentence available for fare evasion (£1,000 fine and 3 months in prison), despite there not being a single case of somebody receiving 3 months in prison for fare evasion; and the absolutely exceptional cases of custodial for fare evasion involve people repeatedly evading fares after many interactions with revenue protection or the courts; and that the legislation doesn't actually permit a custodial sentence for a first time fare evasion offence; or that the sentencing guidelines (England & Wales) ranges don't even mention custodial (not that this prevents custodial being imposed for second or further offences); etc.

Yes people shouldn't evade fares, and yes they should be held accountable, but that shouldn't give the operators the green light to send misleading (and in some cases false) statements, demand passengers prove their past innocence when there is no proof of past wrongdoing, or go on with such investigations without clearly communicating people's legal rights and implications of engaging in the process.

Frankly I'd be in favour of a unified body to deal with fare evasion matters, in an effort to bring some consistency and order to things. Many operators are perfectly amicable, others engage in quite questionable behaviour.

This issue was of course highlighted by the regular: https://www.orr.gov.uk/independent-review-train-operators-revenue-protection-practices

21. We have found that current revenue protection practices in rail are not working as well as they need to and require improvement in the interests of passengers, the rail industry and taxpayers.
22. Fare evasion and revenue loss are increasing, despite new technology that can aid detection. In response, enforcement action by TOCs has become more frequent and robust within the context of the strict liability framework. And process changes – such as the introduction of the SJP – have made it easier for TOCs to prosecute passengers.
23. However, passenger safeguards have not kept pace with these developments, and current revenue protection practices are largely weighted towards the industry. This may result in unfair or disproportionate outcomes with passengers being penalised for innocent or minor mistakes.
24. Action needs to be taken to improve fairness, consistency and transparency while ensuring that TOCs are able to deal with deliberate and persistent fare evaders robustly. Our recommendations to address this are set out below.

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28. Individual TOCs have considerable scope to set their own approach to revenue protection. Different TOC policies, as well as variation in how frontline staff apply these, mean that passengers can face inconsistent treatment and outcomes for similar types of ticketing issue across the network.
29. Aside from penalty fares (which are prescribed in legislation, with a three-stage appeal process), most of the tools used by TOCs to deal with invalid tickets are not defined in any consistent or transparent way across the industry. While there is a need to reflect specific operational and commercial circumstances, some differences appear arbitrary. This can result in action being taken against a passenger with no formal appeals process in place should the passenger wish to challenge that action.
30. When a passenger claims to have made a mistake with their ticket, the challenge is determining whether this is genuine or not. The judgement of frontline staff plays a key role in this. However, while new technology can help, it is not always possible to determine a passenger’s intent accurately. In such circumstances, a passenger who has made a ‘one-off’ mistake might be penalised or a deliberate fare evader may be given the benefit of the doubt.
31. Building on some existing good practice we have seen, one way of addressing the issue of intent would be for the industry to establish a more systematic approach to recording incidents of ticket irregularities. Where passenger intent is unclear, revenue protection staff could check whether the passenger has a track record of travelling without a valid ticket. If they do not, they could give them the benefit of the doubt, but log the passenger’s details. The passenger could then pay the correct fare due, without being penalised, and the TOC would have greater assurance that they have not let a repeat fare evader off the hook.
32. Likewise, where a penalty fare is appealed, if the appeals body is able to see whether a passenger has a track record of ticket irregularities, that would enable them to better judge whether to give the passenger the benefit of the doubt.
33. Making better use of data in this way would also allow an escalatory approach to be adopted where, if a passenger is found without a valid ticket on subsequent occasions, the consequences become increasingly more serious. This would help to rebalance protections so that they are fairer for fare-paying passengers who have made a ‘one-off’ mistake, while providing for TOCs to deal robustly with those intentionally defrauding the railway.
34. This approach would also be consistent with TOCs putting a greater emphasis on encouraging behavioural change among passengers, which we know a number of TOCs are increasingly looking to do. This includes ensuring passengers see and experience a system that is working for them, where they get support to buy a valid ticket and that they are aware of the consequences of not doing so.
35. In considering this further, we recommend that the industry should establish a common framework for dealing with cases of ticket irregularities. This would include a set of consistent tools underpinned by clear principles, including for example:
  • a fair and consistent right of appeal for all types of notice;
  • not penalising passengers where there is a ticket irregularity involving no risk of revenue loss;
  • consistent with a more escalatory approach, not prosecuting passengers under byelaws for a first or second offence unless there are aggravating factors (such as tailgating or refusing to remedy the lack of a valid ticket); and
  • a more coordinated approach to training and evaluation for frontline revenue protection staff to ensure consistent high standards and application of policy.
36. As part of this, there is an opportunity for governments to make clear the overarching strategy for revenue protection. For example, this could make clear the importance of fairness to the process.

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38. Prosecutions should only be undertaken where it is appropriate to do so, given that a conviction is a serious and potentially life changing matter.
39. Crown prosecutors in England and Wales (private prosecutions are very rare under Scottish Law, and so this section focuses on England and Wales) must meet key criteria both to ensure there is sufficient evidence of a crime to secure a conviction and that it is in the public interest to prosecute. This is known as the ‘Full Code Test’. TOCs, as private prosecutors, are not obliged to follow this test but there are good reasons for them to apply or align with it.
40. While it was reassuring to find that many TOCs apply a test that is similar to the Full Code Test, this is not the case for all the TOCs that prosecute. There were six TOCs for whom we either did not see evidence of a formal test or where it was unclear what test they were applying in practice. And more broadly, we saw scope for improvement in the tests that some TOCs applied.
41. The lack of a consistent robust and transparent decision-making framework across the industry risks prosecutions being undertaken where they are not in the public interest, as well as arbitrary treatment depending on which TOC a passenger travels with. There is evidence both from our Call for Evidence and from Transport Focus research
that passengers have been prosecuted (or faced prosecution) where it would not be in the public interest.
42. Instead of pursuing a prosecution, TOCs can offer passengers the opportunity to settle out of court. This can sometimes serve the public interest better than a prosecution and provide a better outcome for the passenger. However, it is important that TOCs do not use the prospect of prosecution to leverage an unfair settlement.

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43. While we found the policies of several TOCs to be reasonable in terms of how they calculate out of court settlements, and some examples of good practice that could be adopted more widely, the policies of other TOCs were less clear.
44. There were also some TOCs whose written policies state they may pursue out of court settlements even where there is insufficient evidence to prosecute. We have been unable to clarify this point owing to the time constraints of the review and therefore have no clear evidence that it is happening in practice. However, if TOCs were doing this while leaving passengers under the impression that they will be prosecuted if they do not pay, we consider this would be without basis and unreasonable.
45. TOCs that prosecute need to have fair, evidence-based criteria and should only proceed when it is clearly justified and in the wider public interest. Equally, TOCs need to have similarly clear best practice principles for using out of court settlements.
46. We note that current byelaw strict liability offences regarding travel without a valid ticket empower TOCs to prosecute passengers where there is no evidence of intent or revenue loss and provide passengers with very limited defences in law. While this can be helpful in enabling TOCs to take action against deliberate fare evaders, it puts passengers who have made an honest mistake at risk of prosecution.
47. Following TOCs being authorised
to use the SJP to prosecute railway byelaw offences in April 2016, it has arguably become easier for them to prosecute. The roll out of a new digital case management system (‘Common Platform’) by HM Courts & Tribunal Service is likely to make it even easier.
48. There is a case therefore for a broader review of the legislation used by the industry to deal with fare evasion. This would include ensuring that there is an appropriate balance between protecting passengers who have made an innocent mistake and protecting the railway and taxpayers from the impact of fare evasion.
There are countries in the world where the penalty for fare evasion is more severe than in the UK; but there's also a lot of western countries where it is a civil matter.

That we are taking people to court and threatening them with criminal records for selecting a 16-25 railcard instead of a 26-30 railcard which they hold, is wild.
 

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Recently I have seen a number of threads on this forum where people are asking for advice following contact with a TOC about irregularities on ticketing purchases that id ringing alarm bells.

In some cases the user has admitted to dough nutting (not having a ticket for the entire journey).

I am just interested in what raises such a flag. If you look at my account, I purchase child tickets, Senior Tickets, Disabled Railcard Tickets and then of course normal tickets.I have not clue if an AI algorithm would think why, or just let it go. I know the is nothing wrong with me purchasing tickets for other people to use.Just interested to know what they is viewed as suspicious.

Dough Nutting is probably easy to spot, but others I have seen on here could very easily be legitimate
There is an important caveat/nuance to that you've missed.

You're absolutely right that there is nothing wrong with purchasing tickets for other people to use - BUT only if the there is no intent for them to be misused or used in connection with a fraud (or attempted fraud) or other offence (or an attempt at/conspiracy to commit another offence).

Otherwise, you do potentially commit an offence.

Rail operators are entitled to investigate their suspicions - but should obviously act fairly and reasonably, and in most cases, a simple and honest explanation will suffice, in the rare event that it if flagged. That is unlikely in itself unless you or one of the people you are purchasing for, is caught in possession of tickets which are not valid.
 

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others I have seen on here could very easily be legitimate
Fundamentally there is nothing wrong with a TOC identifying a suspicious purchase pattern and asking the purchaser for more details about what was going on. That’s just bog standard investigation. There may well be a legitimate reason for the pattern.

Where I do have issues is with how some of the TOCs go about it. I’m a firm believer that investigators should give enough details in their initial emails for the person being investigated to know what they are being accused of. Given that these emails could potentially be used as evidence in a prosecution, I think it is appalling how badly written these emails are and just how far away from best practice they are.

I don’t think many TOCs do that, and I don’t think it is good practice. And as I have the same qualification in investigative practice that the TOC staff do, I know that they have also been specifically taught that being vague is NOT good investigative practice. You don’t show all your cards in the first email, sure, but you tell people broadly what they’re accused of. They know what good practice is, the qualification teaches them about it in excruciating detail, and therefore it must be a deliberate choice to ignore their training.

Secondly, and this is the really important bit, people generally need to better understand that they have the right to remain silent.
 

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Fundamentally there is nothing wrong with a TOC identifying a suspicious purchase pattern and asking the purchaser for more details about what was going on. That’s just bog standard investigation. There may well be a legitimate reason for the pattern.

Where I do have issues is with how some of the TOCs go about it. I’m a firm believer that investigators should give enough details in their initial emails for the person being investigated to know what they are being accused of. Given that these emails could potentially be used as evidence in a prosecution, I think it is appalling how badly written these emails are and just how far away from best practice they are.

I don’t think many TOCs do that, and I don’t think it is good practice. And as I have the same qualification in investigative practice that the TOC staff do, I know that they have also been specifically taught that being vague is NOT good investigative practice. You don’t show all your cards in the first email, sure, but you tell people broadly what they’re accused of. They know what good practice is, the qualification teaches them about it in excruciating detail, and therefore it must be a deliberate choice to ignore their training.

Secondly, and this is the really important bit, people generally need to better understand that they have the right to remain silent.
It's not too uncommon elsewhere in law enforcement for the investigating authority to refuse or decline to offer any initial evidence or any real information about the allegation.

Take a driving offence, in many ways comparable to a ticketing matter.

Police simply send you a letter giving a very brief/generic overview of the allegation, "careless driving alleged at A100 road at 11:00 on 01 Jan 25"

usually with zero evidence being made available, and invite you (compel you) to tell them who was driving the vehicle at that time.

Even when you nominate the driver, you have a choice:

Accept the matter, pay the penalty and move on.

Don't accept the matter, go to court and see what happens, and see what the evidence is.

You're not entitled to any evidence or further information unless you elect to go to court for a hearing. You can't (generally) provide mitigation unless and until it's at court.

Asking for any evidence prior to making a decision as to whether to go to court or accept a penalty is almost always taken as you disputing the matter and the police will treat it as a request to go to court without any further consideration.
 

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The difference with a speeding offence is you don't pay the penalty and then a few months later receive an email saying 'we've reviewed your driving history and believe you've been driving too fast on previous occasions'. Please pay us £xxxx or we will prosecute you for fraud.'

I've long argued on here that there needs to be a fundamental change to the legal framework around railway ticketing offences. With a motoring offence the Registered Keeper of the vehicle is legally obliged to say who was driving the vehicle at the time of the offence. Perhaps something similar should exist for rail tickets - so if a load of JCP discounted tickets are found on your Trainline account you're legally obliged to say who used them.
 

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Police simply send you a letter giving a very brief/generic overview of the allegation, "careless driving alleged at A100 road at 11:00 on 01 Jan 25"
It may be generic, but they do tell you what you are alleged to have done, exactly where, and exactly when.

The TOCs don’t even give that to people. Look at the stuff WMT send out to people, not only is it barely literate but it’s also impossible to actually tell what they are alleging you have done.

There was a thread recently where Greater Anglia wrote to someone and that person thought it may have been an issue with their staff pass. Turns out it wasn’t, Greater Anglia just believed they’d bought a ticket after boarding, but it took several bouts of correspondence to get that out of them. It isn’t professional.

I don’t expect the TOCs to provide their evidence, but I do expect them to set out exactly what they believe a person has done wrong. Anything else is, in my humble opinion, bordering on entrapment.
 

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They are, and I don't personally object to a passenger's travel history being inspected if they're caught fare evading; but sometimes the requests from the TOCs are pretty egregious. For example, it seems somewhat common now for a operator to demand a passenger's proof of having previously held a railcard when seeing railcard tickets in their purchase history. While it's increasingly common for people to order railcards online and therefore may have retained the email receipt, there are people who simply delete such emails, others who buy at ticket offices (especially for e.g. Disabled railcards), etc.

If the operator wants to pursue a prosecution, the onus is on them to prove their case, not for the defendant to prove their innocence. A lot of these notices of intended prosecution don't include suitable advice that anything the passenger says in response may be used as evidence if a prosecution is pursued. The advice of solicitors would in many such cases be to not respond to such questions and deal only with the case of fare evasion which actually has evidence. Not always, but often.

There is also the issue of operators using letter templates which strongly suggest prosecution when in practice they have no intention of pursuing it. Add in to these letters that some operators quote the maximum sentence available for fare evasion (£1,000 fine and 3 months in prison), despite there not being a single case of somebody receiving 3 months in prison for fare evasion; and the absolutely exceptional cases of custodial for fare evasion involve people repeatedly evading fares after many interactions with revenue protection or the courts; and that the legislation doesn't actually permit a custodial sentence for a first time fare evasion offence; or that the sentencing guidelines (England & Wales) ranges don't even mention custodial (not that this prevents custodial being imposed for second or further offences); etc.

Yes people shouldn't evade fares, and yes they should be held accountable, but that shouldn't give the operators the green light to send misleading (and in some cases false) statements, demand passengers prove their past innocence when there is no proof of past wrongdoing, or go on with such investigations without clearly communicating people's legal rights and implications of engaging in the process.

Frankly I'd be in favour of a unified body to deal with fare evasion matters, in an effort to bring some consistency and order to things. Many operators are perfectly amicable, others engage in quite questionable behaviour.

This issue was of course highlighted by the regular: https://www.orr.gov.uk/independent-review-train-operators-revenue-protection-practices


There are countries in the world where the penalty for fare evasion is more severe than in the UK; but there's also a lot of western countries where it is a civil matter.

That we are taking people to court and threatening them with criminal records for selecting a 16-25 railcard instead of a 26-30 railcard which they hold, is wild.
Paragraph 43 is particularly concerning, isn't it? I would agree with the ORR it is both unfair and unreasonable to pursue a settlement under threat of prosecution if you have decided, for whatever reason, not to prosecute. In fact I would go further and say it is an abuse. It's one of the things that would have to change before I would change my mind that TOCs shouldn't be allowed to bring private prosecutions.

I also object to the way settlements are calculated: there is typically an element designed to cover the costs of investigating and pursuing the person, but then there's also the fare or fares that were not paid. I'm not aware of any sensible justification for charging the Anytime fare even if the passenger travelled off-peak, or the undiscounted fare even if they can prove they were in possession of a valid Railcard entitling them to a discount. All sorts of justifications are given for this, and anyone querying it is usually characterised as an apologist for fare dodging and told those discounts are conditional on buying a ticket, but the punitive and cost-covering elements of the settlement are added in separately and are considered sufficient for "white collar" commuters who have dodged the fare while travelling at peak times without a Railcard. It is unclear to me why the element of the settlement that is supposed to reflect the unpaid fare or fares should be based on the actual fare that should have been paid for a commuter travelling in the peak, but based on a higher fare than the one that should have been paid for other (usually less affluent) people.

Given these and other failings, it is of concern to me that my purchase history and scan data could be subject to investigation if a TOC thinks it sees a pattern in the data. I know what sort of inferences GTR has drawn (admittedly in a different context) from the scan data on my season ticket, and they are not valid inferences. Nor do they go in my favour. Nor did they lead GTR to an accurate conclusion. Nor do they enhance my confidence in the reasoning skills of decision-makers at TOCs.

The one I'm mainly concerned about is my habit of tapping onto fast or semi-fast GWR trains at Paddington using an inboundary Travelcard on ITSO (which I typically hold in combination with a paper extension ticket bought at a ticket office - usually not GWR). All GWR will see is a tap-in with in an inboundary Travelcard and no tap out. I don't think I should have to keep all the tickets for an indefinite period just in case they write to me and invite me to prove I wasn't short-faring or doughnutting.
 

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I don't think I should have to keep all the tickets for an indefinite period just in case they write to me and invite me to prove I wasn't short-faring or doughnutting.
This is the other issue for me.

There is nothing wrong with a TOC using technology to spot issues in data and then go out to someone to seek their commentary. It’s what all investigators do, really; they see something then ask questions. It’s certainly what I do in my day job.

But the issue with the TOCs is that they seem to try and reverse the burden of proof. It isn’t for you to prove you weren’t doughnutting, it is for them to prove that you were. If they didn’t catch you in the act then they probably can’t prove it, unless you admit to it or they catch you in a lie.

It’s why the best advice in these situations is to remember that you have a right to silence and use it. As in your hypothetical example, if you engage then you just create more questions. “I had tickets” turns into “prove you had tickets” even though it is for them to prove you didn’t have a ticket.
 
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