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It certainly looks a bit different!
Superior to the HST that got refurbished!
Should have whispered that on the forum's HST nutcase's thread mind
It certainly looks a bit different!

It does look smart and is rather nice to travel in too.That revised refurb on the 150 looks awesome!
The tram refurb wasn't bad although it didn't wear very well and the seats were still rubbishSuperior to the HST that got refurbished!
Should have whispered that on the forum's HST nutcase's thread mind![]()
Damn! Changed that nowAnd I must say the NMT is looking very grand today
Sounded like a good day in the valleys![]()
Leicester HST by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Essex out of region by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
B for Bangor by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Holyhead by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Too literal by fishquinn1, on Flickr
From the bridge by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Between the signals by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
County of Essex by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
The DVT and the brush by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Powering away by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Peek-a-boo by fishquinn1, on FlickrAlways enjoy reading your trip reports Fishquinn - make the most of the cats and trams while you can though - these new fangled things just aren't the same and don't have the same appeal!![]()
Question for you - If you have read any of my reports you will see I travel from Cumbria to London alot. Been thinking of changing at Birmingham for the Cat too Marylebone. How long would I need to walk between New Street and either Moor Street or Snow Hell? Thanks
Dad's been one oneSounded like a good time behind 47580! How do you know you were bouncing along like a pacer if you won't get on them? I bet you've never been on one!![]()
You could say the same every time you're on a 172Blimey a 47 didn't break down or catch fire
I take it your not the biggest fan of Holyhead then
A lucky escape from the GWML it sounded like, isn't that the day where Swindon pretty much collapsed onto itself?
Cheers! I agree that the new stuff just isn't the same.Always enjoy reading your trip reports Fishquinn - make the most of the cats and trams while you can though - these new fangled things just aren't the same and don't have the same appeal!![]()
Question for you - If you have read any of my reports you will see I travel from Cumbria to London alot. Been thinking of changing at Birmingham for the Cat too Marylebone. How long would I need to walk between New Street and either Moor Street or Snow Hell? Thanks
It really is that bad - I know from experience. Don't get me wrong, not all of North Wales. Shotton-Rhyl on the North Wales coast is really rubbish, as are the places, but Colwyn Bay, Ludo and, most certainly Blaenau Ffestiniog aren't bad. I quite like parts of North Wales but Holyhead is certainly not one of those places. I'll admit to not having done too much exploring of a lot of places in North Wales and I'm sure there are some brilliant rural places but the places mentioned in the report aren't some of them.For someone not familiar with the area, I'd allow a bare minimum of 15 minutes for the New Street to Moor Street walk. I can comfortably do it platform to platform in 7 minutes at a reasonable rate, but for someone from well away I wouldn't suggest trying that, nor my 8 minute uphill walk to Snow Hill!
Quinn: JESUS you went on and on and on about Holyhead! It is NOT that bad a place to spend a few hours! Good god I felt rather insulted at the way you were slagging off North Wales as a general rule. If you don't like it up there you should have got off at Chester!
Quite, next time you go up there I'll ensure passport control block your entry!
I'm glad someone agrees with meI agree with Quinn on this one; Holyhead is an awful place. Granted, I've only ever spent an hour there - but my God it looked so unfriendly.

You'll need to return to Holyhead - you'll change your mindI don't think there's much wrong with North Wales. Admittedly it's been a while since I went to Holyhead but I don't remember ever having bad thoughts about it.
It really is dire. For places as a whole of that size there really aren't many places that could be much worse. I've never been to Leominster to can't comment on there.I haven't been to Holyhead properly for a while, 2015 being my last visit and I never ventured beyond the station. In 2008 I was there for much more time though, and it really wasn't that bad a place. OK so it's not overly exciting, but there are FAR less pleasant places to visit! Certainly there are way too many places to list that are more boring, and unless you're a local you won't get fully appreciate this:
It could be worse, you could have gone to Leominster...
On a more serious note, I still feel you've given North Wales a tougher time than it really deserves. Nowhere's perfect, but if you didn't like Holyhead you wouldn't like most of the places I've been to on the Heart of Wales for a start...Or some of the smaller places in South Wales...Or some of the Valleys...
I'm glad someone agrees with me
You'll need to return to Holyhead - you'll change your mind
It really is dire. For places as a whole of that size there really aren't many places that could be much worse. I've never been to Leominster to can't comment on there.
I've never even been down the heart of wales line so I can't comment on ther either but I assume many places on the Valleys are bad - a lot of it is old mining towns.
I'm glad someone agrees with me
You'll need to return to Holyhead - you'll change your mind
It really is dire. For places as a whole of that size there really aren't many places that could be much worse. I've never been to Leominster to can't comment on there.
I've never even been down the heart of wales line so I can't comment on ther either but I assume many places on the Valleys are bad - a lot of it is old mining towns.
Sorry, no doubt 'bad in your eyes' due to circumstances out of their control i.e. the mines closing! These 'mining towns' were once powering our great nation! Don't ever go to my home county, Cornwall. Once a great mining (and fishing) county and now very poor with only rich Londoners with their second homes inflating the prices.

I haven't been to Holyhead properly for a while, 2015 being my last visit and I never ventured beyond the station. In 2008 I was there for much more time though, and it really wasn't that bad a place.
They really are - I've had the misfortune of spending time in some of them. At least Port Talbot will be warm, although probably for different reasonsThe towns on the North Wales coast aren't that bad, just a little deprived like most seaside resorts.
Haven't been to Holyhead but it can't be worse than Port Talbot!!
BTW Some nice trips there!
Hellfire photo! Cheers!Well fq I very much approve of your dad being involved with 47580 as it's one of my favourite 47s, the group have done an excellent job on it and I was very pleased that it survived. Especially as it hasn't been painted in that god awful West Coast maroon like so many other class 47 survivors have (at least they have survived though).
Funnily enough 47854 was a bit of a favourite too when in old money it was 47604 as in the photo (not mine) below. A Stratford 47 on one end and a Scottish one on the other. Can't be bad.
I won't get into the North Wales debate other than to say that some of it's beautiful and some of it really isn't.
Nice report.
I know that but it doesn't change the fact that they are grotty eg. Coventry's incredibly grotty because it was bombed badly in WW2 but that doesn't change the fact that it's a dire place.Sorry, no doubt 'bad in your eyes' due to circumstances out of their control i.e. the mines closing! These 'mining towns' were once powering our great nation! Don't ever go to my home county, Cornwall. Once a great mining (and fishing) county and now very poor with only rich Londoners with their second homes inflating the prices.
Agreed. Mind you, the concourse between platforms 1 and 2 looks (and smells!) like an abandoned warehouse, and I actually apologised to an American tourist on behalf of Britain...![]()
Paddington for Prestatyn
OK. Maybe not. That'd be the most crazy thing in the land of crazy. Going to Prestatyn instead of Paddington? My god, kill me now. No, kill me if I decide to go to Prestatyn instead of Paddington at some point in the future because life wouldn't be worth living if that ever happened.
Anyway, Saturday the 29th of April 2017 was the date that Nat, dad and I planned to do a Thamesline. It was also the date of a NENTA tour to Holyhead, which we decided against doing for a few reasons. 1. Holyhead is a total dump. 2. Holyhead is a total dump. 3. Holyhead is a total dump. 4. Holyhead is a total dump and 5. Holyhead is a total dump. The brush for this tour were giong to be 804 and 826 so we weren't too fussed about missing these but 47854 went out instead of 826. Still, we'll get more from a Thamesline because, well, Holyhead or Hayes and Harlington? Then it was announced that 804 had failed at Newark on the way down which changed everything. Because replacing it was 47580. Brush time!
It wasn't until Nat had come round for a sleepover on the Friday evening that we knew about the change of brush on the tour. Dad is part owner of 580 and it's one hellfire monster, that's for sure. Nat still wanted to go for the Thamesline but dad and I outvoted him with the brush saying that we may do one in May. OK, fine. There was no may about it (except the month - look at me, I'm confusing myself). We'd do an all day Thamesline sometime in May. Sorted.
Dad called NENTA the night before and booked tickets arranging for us to board at Ely. We headed to bed with the aim to be up at much the same time as if we were going for a Thamesline and were soon getting up ready for the day ahead.
We were heading off by 05:00 and our first stop was for petrol. We decided to head to the local Tesco because it's cheaper than the roadside one we pass on the way but got there to find it shut until 06:00. Blast! Instead it was back along the road, wasting more petrol to stop at the roadside one to fill up before heading towards Anglia.
It was an uneventful drive, going along some B roads that bounced us around like a pacer, and we managed to find Ely without any trouble, driving through town before parking at the station. Ely station is right next to a rather large Tesco so we decided to go in there to get brekky stuff, which would be on me. There was also a Costa on there so, with it being just before 07:00, I could see what was probably my earliest creamy cooler to date. The Costa didn't open until 07:00 so we went to grab some bits for brekky first, going for some danishes, before making use of a 3 for £1.20 deal on choccy bars for later. I got these and we then headed to Costa, Nat getting a creamy cooler for him and me, dad going for a coffee. We then took them across to the station.
A Norwich bound 170 was arriving as we got there and I was pleased to hear that it was one of them that stopped at Shippea Hill. 'Go for the shack score' dad said, jokingly. Ummm... No thanks. I've got much better traction coming up! 70007, the best betty, came through a couple of moments later, coming to a stop to await a route onto the single line section towards Ipswich. A 66 then came off the branch but the betty waited slightly longer for yet another locohauled train to come off the branch...
47580! What a beast... This was a winner for Nat so he was glad to get it but probably not as glad as dad and I as we had history with this loco (particularly dad). We reported to the coach that we were told to on the phone the night before and were handed our tickets before we could go to our bay of 4 in coach B, which just the 3 of us were at. This was the 2nd coach away from 580 so we had maximum noise from it. Sounding very sweet it powered us away from my first (and only) shack score and over the many waterways towards Peterborough.
We'd soon reached Peterborough and Nat scored a winner 66 in the depot as we passed. It was now onto the tedious bit of track towards Leicester. It was a dull run and I was glad when it was over but before joining the Midland Mainline we had to let a DBS 66 and an FL 70 pass. Then it was a quick run to Leicester where we paused for a couple of minutes allowing me to get a photo of a well-timed tram.
Leicester HST by fishquinn1, on Flickr
We then sat back and relaxed and were soon swinging over to go through Nuneaton non-stop on platform 7, the Leicester bound platform. We stayed on that track for a minute or so before going to swing down onto the West Coast Mainline. We were held at a signal for a dez and, because of this, Nat managed to see yet another winner blue death as it came off the line from the Brum direction. Lucky Nat (it's probably worth noting that I cleared my 66s a couple of days later with 66767 so I'm still ahead).
We were soon racing down the West Coast Mainline towards Tamworth. Not too much was seen en route and we were soon passing Basford Hall and Crewe LNWR before arriving on platform 11. There was a stop for quite a while here to both wait time and let some normals bail so lots of people lot off, myself included, to get photos. It was good to get some more phots of 580 having not got any since it was at the Mid Norfolk in 2012.
Essex out of region by fishquinn1, on Flickr
I got back on again not too long later and we were soon on the move, heading past Crewe Electric where I managed to score a skoda for sight that I haven't been able to ID in the past. It was a spirited run to Chester where we let more passengers get off and I saw my last required 507, and penultimate Merseyrail unit. It was annoying but I most certainly wasn't bailing even though the next section was the dreaded coast. Why dreaded? It tends to mean you're going to Holyhead, or one of the other absolute delights on this route such as sh*tton, Flint, Prestatyn or Rhyl. Oh well, the brush thrash will keep me calm.
A stopping cart was let out ahead of us so it was a slow run as far as Colwyn Bay. I didn't notice much of it though because I'd fallen asleep, accidently drooling all over the table when doing so. Honestly, I have no idea if it was being asleep or the excellent noise from County of Essex up front that did it though.
I quickly nipped off at Ludo junction to grab another photo while even more normals bailed. I didn't have long but dad was at the door to make sure I wasn't left behind.
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Nat and I managed to get a window up front as we left Ludo, which was absolutely hellfire, particularly with a tunnel. I took a seat again not too long after and noticed how perfectly the station sign was aligned at Bangor...
B for Bangor by fishquinn1, on Flickr
I was, once again, up front leaving Bangor and it was winner track after here for Nat. The huge lions let us pass into Anglesey without a fight and we were soon passing through countryside and getting to Holyhead. What a letdown...
We wandered down to 47854 next to get a few photos and, on one of my close ups I took, a photo of a partly folded (as in some of the sticky bit has come off so you can't read it) notice was readable. The part I could see read 'Smoking can seriously improve your engine's health'. I noticed that 4 days before 47854 caught fire at Northampton on a tour to Windsor. Oh dear - it looks like the notice was taken too literally.
Holyhead by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Too literal by fishquinn1, on Flickr
We then decided to head into town to find some lunch and stopped on a stupidly high footbridge to get a photo of 580. Annoyingly you can't view the camera screen when taking a photo because of the height of the bridge so it's a case of holding the camera above your head and hoping for the best: this is one of my shots.
From the bridge by fishquinn1, on Flickr
After that we headed into the awful town in hunt of a chippy. One was located after a while so we went in. We certainly weren't expecting any miracles from our stuff: dad and I got a fishcake each, Nat getting a battered sausage, and we got a large chips to share. It turns out we judged the chippy too soon - the chips were absolutely amazing and we were all glad we went for them. Now time for a drink.
Dad wanted a coffee so we decided to head to one of the coffee shops but got there just as it closed - it was only about 14:30 at this point too. Oh well - let's go to a supermarket to get something for dinner we thought. We noticed an Asda not far away but it took a while to find out how to get there because pedestrians weren't allowed to walk down the road. We managed to find a way eventually and got stuff for dinner - some rolls and ham along with crisps and fruit (and some beer for dad) - before going back to the station and getting some more photos of the brush.
Between the signals by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
We then went back down onto the platform and got some more photos of 47580.
County of Essex by fishquinn1, on Flickr
47580 by fishquinn1, on Flickr
The DVT and the brush by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Then it was back to our seats to wait for departure from Holyhead, 47854 now to be powering.
We'd soon left Anglesey and reached Bangor without any problems. We picked several passengers up here before moving on; next stop Llandudno Junction. As we left there I headed up to the vestibule window to get some photos of 854.
Powering away by fishquinn1, on Flickr
On the next stretch we got to see Rhyl and Prestatyn in the best way possible: at speed. With the run down section after Colwyn Bay we were glad to eventually make it to Chester. Some more passengers were picked up here before heading onwards to Crewe where we had a quick stop in platform 6. I needed a drink at this point so headed to the buffet for some water and a refill of dad's thermal mug with hot water, noticing the 1st class passengers tucking into dinner. We planned to start our own dinner upon departure from Crewe, which is exactly what we did. Wow did those rolls go down well. 854 was sounding absolutely brilliant on the run reminding me why it's one of my favourite brush (not that I needed reminding) and, I have to say, it out performed 580 on this tour. Still, County of Essex is one hellfire 47.
At Nuneaton we crossed back onto the Leicester lines and followed them through to Leicester where we were looped for a pathing stop allowing me to get a couple of photos. Warning: photos may contain 170s.
Peek-a-boo by fishquinn1, on Flickr
I tried to get a video to help ID the stuff in Leicester depot but it came out completely awfully so I just had to rely on what Nat said for the stuff we didn't get on the way out - still, they were all duds. Just after swinging onto boredom line of the midlands - Syston to Peterborough - we passed 37254 and 37057, having seen them in Peterborough yard earlier in the day. Dad stood up for this journey and I did a forum catch up using his work phone and found out some information that I was really shocked about (not that I should be, knowing the line). Had we gone for a Thamesline on that day we would've been attached to another object by an incline plane wrapped helically around an axis (screwed). A major signaling problem had pretty much drawn the GWML to a stop with no trams leaving Paddington between about 13:00 and 20:00 except maybe an Oxford and a Hereford. Lucky escape!
Nat scored another of his winner GBRF 66s at Peterborough, taking him down to needing only a handful. It was pretty much dark by now so all we could do was sit and listen to 854 as it thrashed away back towards Norwich. The horror. It was a good run back to Ely where after watching 47854 leave Ely with lots of noise it was back to the car for the drive home. As always I wasn't awake for too long and was waking up a couple of hours later when we got home after and excellent, brushtastic day.
My mileages on those powercar are like this:I thought Bath had changed, having had quick glances on my journeys through there this weekend. I need to get off the train there and have a proper look, but that is odd. Mind you if the platform is wider now that's not a bad thing.
I see I'm not the only one who had a power car swap within 24 hours. I had 43145+43174 yesterday (bet my mileages on them are better than yours) but I had the same set today just with 43162 instead of 43145. Surprised they didn't swap the mini buffet mind as it still had air conditioning issues as per yesterday!
Agreed - it'd look excellent with a white roof.Loved reading every minute of this, I'd have loved every single minute of that Tour too. I think 47580 should get its white roof back. Thanks for sharing this Quinn.

I agree with you there. I'll pass on spending a night in Holyhead - I can't think of much things worse! Sounds like a good boat train move though, even though it was to Holyhead.As usual, I'm playing catch up and just read your last few adventures.
Fantastic stuff.
I agree about Holyhead, although the rest of Anglesey is lovely, as is Wales generally.
If you think Holyhead is bad during the day, you should try spending a few hours there in the middle of the night.
We did many a boat train move, arriving there on a 37 at 01 something then loitering until 03 whatever for another tractor back out.
Happy days![]()
Bristol Parkway by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Heading for Temple Meads by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Swindon HST by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Waste of time, waste of money by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Swindon by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Heading for Padd by fishquinn1, on Flickr
Heading for Plymouth by fishquinn1, on FlickrWhile I hate almost everything about the awful units with a passion