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When watching a game as a neutral, it's actually hard to be completley neutral.

The best football comments usually come from people who don't often watch the game and don't support any team. Strange.
 
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Now though, Southend have won 28 points from a possible 30 (my brother chose the one game they failed to win to watch in person... sucker! :lol:) and, apparently as suggested by both readers of the Guardian and also experts at the Metro, Southend look like genine title contenders - but can they stop moneybags Crawley? Having said that though, unless the whole stadium soap opera is sorted, I can't see Championship football returning to my hometown any time soon. Fossetts Farm shuld have opened several years ago... instead, it's not even a construction site yet.

The other teams I follow to some degree or another are Bath City, Brighton & Hove Albion, Cardiff City, Chelmsford City, Ipswich Town, and AFC Wimbledon. Ipswich in particular hold a special place in my heart after the events that occurred in the days following the loss of Sir Bobby Robson - but that's another story.



Por favor...!

I'm quite a fan of Southends boss, Paul Sturrock. Argyle should never of sacked him, know its results driven but they were hiding their financial crisis and sold all his star players. result sacked for being bottom of the championship. Now were bottom of league 2. Glad Peter Reid has gone though, he gave his whole during difficult times, but did little to help low morale. Fletcher and Larrieu have boosted morale, and slowly were getting results. Larrieu is without doubt Argyle through and through, been with us 10 years or longer, stuck at the club even when he became 3rd choice keeper. Went through cancer, and still returned. A true club legend!
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Also a big well done to the Republic of Ireland this evening winners 4-0 away in their play off for the euro 2012. Now England are going to have to do well, cant be out performed by the irish!
 

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Also a big well done to the Republic of Ireland this evening winners 4-0 away in their play off for the euro 2012. Now England are going to have to do well, cant be out performed by the irish!

By getting through properly England have already outperformed the Irish ;)
 

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Being a Geordie I cannot help but think that 'My Cashley' can call the ground what the heck he wants but the ground will still be called St James' no matter what it says on the outside.
My wife and I have both had our photos taken on Barrack Road with the St. James Park name in the background and we are both gosh darned proud of it because of the history the ground has. It has been called St. James for many, many years.
To be honest I'm not sure many people can empathise with the problems of the changing of the name, i.e. is it such a big deal? well in the whole scheme of things with world problems maybe not but for us Geordies, yes it is.
I have no doubt that Cashley has done a lot to improve "The Toon" but this is just wrong.

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Indeed, and well done to lowest team remaining Redbridge holding Oxford City too.

Credit also to AFC Totton for their 8-1 victory over Bradford Park Avenue.
 
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england somehow actually managed to beat spain so i was chuffed! :D considering they had a full-strength team and we were missing gerrard, terry, ferdinand, wilshere, cleverley, young, rooney....
and i think ramos should have gone off. if not for a red for that two footed lunge, for another yellow when he bodychecked walcott, to go with the one for the lunge
 

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england somehow actually managed to beat spain so i was chuffed! :D considering they had a full-strength team and we were missing gerrard, terry, ferdinand, wilshere, cleverley, young, rooney....
and i think ramos should have gone off. if not for a red for that two footed lunge, for another yellow when he bodychecked walcott, to go with the one for the lunge

If you press the shift key when typing you can get uppercase letters ;)

Ramos should definitely have gone for that "tackle", it was as bad as anything the Dutch did to them at the World Cup. I think the only reason he didn't was the traditional reluctance to send people off in friendlies.

That being said I was very unimpressed with 5 Live's commentary, they'd wrote us off before kick off and were constantly slating us throughout the game. It was as though Spain were a deity they were obliged to worship
 

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Regardless of who won, does it really matter? It's a friendly, the only advantages are that you get to try out new players / tactics and you can earn a few points for your world ranking. Having said that I don't actually know if friendlies earn any ranking points!
 

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I wonder how long before all the numpties start claiming England will be one of the favourites to win the Euros now they have beaten Spain. Deluded fools
 

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I wonder how long before all the numpties start claiming England will be one of the favourites to win the Euros now they have beaten Spain. Deluded fools

I wouldn't put England down as favourites for a British Isles Cup!
 

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I wouldn't like to play the Republic of Ireland at the moment...

A friend of mine was in Tallinn on Friday and said the 0-4 scoreline flattered Ireland. He goes to most Ireland games and isn't very enamoured with them at the moment. Good defensively but not much going forward. I would put money on England beating them TBH
 
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It's a friendly, the only advantages are that you get to try out new players / tactics

we certainly got to try some different players, was quite interesting actually - rodwell, welbeck, jones, even jagielka and lescott are all players we don't see a lot of (or any of, in rodwell's case). i'm not sure what we can actually learn tactics-wise! :s funny game...
 

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Well the Newcastle United saga continues. Here's Derek Lliambas' example as to how to make a situation worse... clicky

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Ashley* aside, he should be next out of the door after comments like that.

*I refuse to call him Cashley because that name belongs to Ashley Cole. The two together would put me off any club for life, so be grateful for that much!

If you press the shift key when typing you can get uppercase letters ;)

Ooh, that's harsh ;)
 

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I wonder how long before all the numpties start claiming England will be one of the favourites to win the Euros now they have beaten Spain. Deluded fools
Indeed, England got a goal from a set piece but didn't really threaten Spain in open play. In the closing stages of the match England had to defend wave after wave of Spanish attack and were lucky that Fabregas didn't score. You may get away with this in one match at a major competition but you are not likely to get away with it for the three or four knockout matches that you need to get through in a major competition.
 

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Indeed, England got a goal from a set piece but didn't really threaten Spain in open play. In the closing stages of the match England had to defend wave after wave of Spanish attack and were lucky that Fabregas didn't score. You may get away with this in one match at a major competition but you are not likely to get away with it for the three or four knockout matches that you need to get through in a major competition.

Greece managed it though. England would never have outplayed Spain so the tactic to defend tenaciously, get men behind the ball and hopefully rob a goal on the break or from a set piece which is what happened - the Spanish recklessness in tackling (I guess they don't get much practice) showed their frustration towards the end
If England started to play like Spain it'd make route one look interesting! Football needs tackling, it needs physical force as well as decent ball skills.

I don't think England are consistent enough to do well and the media always seems to try and implode them

Three final points on the England performance: How much possession did Spain have? How many saves did Hart have to make? What counts at the end of a game?
 

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Indeed, England got a goal from a set piece but didn't really threaten Spain in open play. In the closing stages of the match England had to defend wave after wave of Spanish attack and were lucky that Fabregas didn't score. You may get away with this in one match at a major competition but you are not likely to get away with it for the three or four knockout matches that you need to get through in a major competition.

That's been the story of England in many recent tournaments. They have got lucky points in the group stages, along with good wins against lesser sides, that have got them through to the knockout stage. They then get a lucky win or two until their luck fails them and then they are knocked out. I often think England are like one of those teams from the lower premiere league who often ends up getting to the semis or even finals of the FA cup, often knocking out one of the big 4 on the way, before finally being put in their place. They then end up battling relegation towards the end of the season.
 

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Greece managed it though.
Yes but it relies on you getting that chance and even Greece didn't get win in 90 minutes on all three matches as one ended up going to extra time. Greece had to play France, the Czech Republic and Portugal. As I remember it Euro 2004 was quite open with no teams expected to dominate at the start. This isn't the case these days with the likes of Spain, the Netherlands and Germany a level above the others.
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They then get a lucky win or two until their luck fails them and then they are knocked out.
When you get into the knockout stage you can no longer get away with a draw. If England just defend for 120 minutes and don't get a lucky goal from a set piece then it will go to penalties and we all know how that usually ends.
 
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When you get into the knockout stage you can no longer get away with a draw. If England just defend for 120 minutes and don't get a lucky goal from a set piece then it will go to penalties and we all know how that usually ends.

Penalties are a good leveller though. You see it a fair amount in the FA Cup especially with lower/non-league clubs. If England are being outplayed by a better team they'd still stand a greater chance from 12 yards than by coming out.
 

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If England are being outplayed by a better team they'd still stand a greater chance from 12 yards than by coming out.
I'm not sure about that. In 2006 Italy went all out for attack in extra time against Germany as they knew what the result would most likely have been had it gone to penalties. If England in 2010 had just played for a draw against Germany then I expect they would have still been knocked out by Germany on penalties. It would be a good idea to go for the goal than risk penalties, at least there is a chance of scoring and wining the match. As I say we all know how an England match that goes to penalties usually ends.
 

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As I say we all know how an England match that goes to penalties usually ends.

Am I right to think that England have only ever won one shoot-out, and that even that one was in a match in which the opposition had a legitimate goal ruled out (Spain, 1996)?
 

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Am I right to think that England have only ever won one shoot-out, and that even that one was in a match in which the opposition had a legitimate goal ruled out (Spain, 1996)?
Correct, it was actually two goals that Spain had disallowed. It didn't get England very far though as they got knocked out in the next round by Germany on penalties. In this match Germany had what would have been a golden goal in extra time disallowed. In the penalty shootout both teams scored all of their five penalties but then it went to sudden death. Southgate took the first sudden death penalty and it was saved by Köpke. Möller then scored the winning penalty to send England out.
 
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I see that the draw for the FA Cup 2nd round proper was made today. Fleetwood Town's reward for beating Wycombe Wanderers is a home tie against Yeovil Town.

To review my friendly rivalry with jimmyowl1992, where both our teams were successful in the first round, the draw has at present paired our teams with teams involved with replays:-

Preston North End or Southend United v Oldham Athletic

Sheffield Wednesday v Maidenhead United or Aldershot Town

All matches to be played 3 and 4 December 2011.
 

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