• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Football

side effect

Member
Joined
20 Jul 2015
Messages
242
I heard a fact that Arsenal did a certain membership, say gold membership that allowed you the chance to get tickets and this supporter got tickets for every home game for 3 year approx. Anyway the club did away with that and replaced it with a ballot which he was always unsuccessful. Clubs would rather tourists who will buy from the club shop rather than regulars so they will find ways to out the regulars who just go watch the game and go straight home afterwards. Thing is Chelsea and Arsenal will never be relegated but West Hams a different story and are well due a drop. Sorry, I really wished I could write posts like a scholar but I cant.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Haywain

Veteran Member
Joined
3 Feb 2013
Messages
24,562
Clubs would rather tourists who will buy from the club shop rather than regulars so they will find ways to out the regulars who just go watch the game and go straight home afterwards.
I think that's true of the established clubs who haven't got to worry much about relegation. Less so for those who need the support a year or two later.
 

REVUpminster

Established Member
Joined
3 Jan 2021
Messages
1,243
Location
Paignton
I heard a fact that Arsenal did a certain membership, say gold membership that allowed you the chance to get tickets and this supporter got tickets for every home game for 3 year approx. Anyway the club did away with that and replaced it with a ballot which he was always unsuccessful. Clubs would rather tourists who will buy from the club shop rather than regulars so they will find ways to out the regulars who just go watch the game and go straight home afterwards. Thing is Chelsea and Arsenal will never be relegated but West Hams a different story and are well due a drop. Sorry, I really wished I could write posts like a scholar but I cant.
Arsenal, West Ham and probably other clubs cite tickets sold and not bums on seats as with numbers of 60000 there will always be people absent due to personal circumstance. Accidents, illness, trains cancelled, holidays, etc all get in the way.

I used to get the 1803, the last Paddington-Penzance and it was like a football special; there would be Arsenal, West Ham, Millwall, QPR supporters before tv moved all the fixtures. It's what stops me attending games nowadays and giving up my season ticket.
 

Haywain

Veteran Member
Joined
3 Feb 2013
Messages
24,562
Arsenal, West Ham and probably other clubs cite tickets sold and not bums on seats as with numbers of 60000 there will always be people absent due to personal circumstance.
All clubs do that, and always have done. The only thing that's changed is that when the majority paid at the turnstile there wasn't a differential caused by no-shows.
 

Tetchytyke

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Sep 2013
Messages
17,474
Location
Isle of Man
I heard a fact that Arsenal did a certain membership, say gold membership that allowed you the chance to get tickets and this supporter got tickets for every home game for 3 year approx. Anyway the club did away with that and replaced it with a ballot which he was always unsuccessful.
The gold tier gave you first dibs on unsold tickets for home fixtures, with red tier giving you second dibs. But in recent seasons there haven't been unsold tickets for home fixtures, the only tickets that appear are either hospitality tickets or season ticket holders who can't attend and have put their ticket into the exchange. So they did away with the gold tier (which now refers to normal season ticket holders) and started charging for the red tier.

The tourists are, by and large, buying hospitality or black market tickets for Arsenal. It's the same for many of the big clubs, although judging by the pictures it looks like Man City's tourists do all go dressed as blue plastic seats.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Thing is Chelsea and Arsenal will never be relegated but West Hams a different story and are well due a drop.
West Ham have 40,000 season ticket holders, which is 5,000 more people than the Boleyn Ground's full capacity.

Their issue is that their ground holds 62,000 people.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Genuinely the worst thing about the Premier League is the "global fanbase". It is one of the major things which has made me lose interest in keeping up with it on social media.
Absolutely, and its not just particular to the Premier League or even football more generally. The more recent "global fanbase" in Formula One are, by and large, boorish cretins. Especially Max Verstappen's fans.
 
Last edited:

side effect

Member
Joined
20 Jul 2015
Messages
242
Nicely put.

I was at Upton Park in 81 for a semi final 2ng leg v Coventry. I think the attendance that night was 36k + with Coventry fans occupying the whole south bank. I was in the west side and it was the best atmosphere I ever heard in a tight ground with terracing all 4 sides. The seated the west lower the following season we came back up and that was the start of the end for me. That's when the atmosphere went and maybe we were never suited to a 62k stadium that's the total opposite of the boleyn.

Once again thanks for the replies.
 

75A

Established Member
Joined
31 Mar 2021
Messages
2,035
Location
Ireland (ex Brighton 75A)
I used to get the 1803, the last Paddington-Penzance and it was like a football special; there would be Arsenal, West Ham, Millwall, QPR supporters before tv moved all the fixtures. It's what stops me attending games nowadays and giving up my season ticket.
I lived in Woking for the best part of 20 years in the 80's /90's and supported Portsmouth, on away Saturdays whatever train I took in and out of the Capital would have supporters of various other sides and we'd have a bit of banter.
 

Old Yard Dog

Established Member
Joined
21 Aug 2011
Messages
1,823
Salford City only seem to do printed programmes for FA Cup ties despite the fact that they attract lower attendances than D4 matches. They do, at least, give out free team sheets for league games. There were only 1,796 there for the Orient game last night.

Could the reason be that the FA Cup sponsors, Emirates, make it worth their while? There were two full page Emirates adverts in yesterday's issue. Most spectators wouldn't even have known that printed programmes were on sale unless they saw the preview on SCFC website or saw them in the club shop.
 

Xenophon PCDGS

Veteran Member
Joined
17 Apr 2011
Messages
35,398
Location
A typical commuter-belt part of north-west England
Salford City only seem to do printed programmes for FA Cup ties despite the fact that they attract lower attendances than D4 matches. They do, at least, give out free team sheets for league games. There were only 1,796 there for the Orient game last night.
And to top it all, the final score was Salford City 4..Leyton Orient 0, with the Division 2 side beating the Division 1 side.
 

Kite159

Veteran Member
Joined
27 Jan 2014
Messages
22,737
Location
West of Andover
I see Salah has thrown his toys out of the pram due to being an unused sub in the latest game. Especially coming out with this quote from the BBC article "I don't have to go every day fighting for my position because I earned it".

So that's him being shipped off to the Chinese or Arab leagues in January time, probably getting a nice pay day from it.
 

Xenophon PCDGS

Veteran Member
Joined
17 Apr 2011
Messages
35,398
Location
A typical commuter-belt part of north-west England
I see Salah has thrown his toys out of the pram due to being an unused sub in the latest game. Especially coming out with this quote from the BBC article "I don't have to go every day fighting for my position because I earned it".

So that's him being shipped off to the Chinese or Arab leagues in January time, probably getting a nice pay day from it.
More a realisation of being unused for the last three games, not just the last one, and preparing himself ready for the national area event due to start very shortly.
 

AlterEgo

Verified Rep - Wingin' It! Paul Lucas
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
29,277
Location
LBK
I see Salah has thrown his toys out of the pram due to being an unused sub in the latest game. Especially coming out with this quote from the BBC article "I don't have to go every day fighting for my position because I earned it".

So that's him being shipped off to the Chinese or Arab leagues in January time, probably getting a nice pay day from it.
Nice fee for Liverpool too. He's done I'm afraid, the drop off even last season after Christmas was notable.
 

side effect

Member
Joined
20 Jul 2015
Messages
242
From a winning position nuno makes subs and West Ham blow it again. Would hate to follow them now but somehow I still get wound up even though I dont go and refuse to watch
 

DarloRich

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Oct 2010
Messages
32,892
Location
Fenny Stratford
I will never understand football as long as live. Unbeaten in 6, playing well, grinding out results, looking really confident, shape and system working well, players on good form, 4th in league, good win last week, then bang:

Oxford City 5 v Darlington 1

(Oxford are down the bottom of the league and without a recognised forward. National League NORTH journey curse strikes again! Sigh.)
 
Last edited:

SuspectUsual

Established Member
Joined
11 Jul 2018
Messages
6,704
I will never understand football as long as live

Apropos this:

- we actually scored a penalty yesterday having missed 5 of 7 this season

- one of our centre backs scored a really good goal from about 20 yards and celebrated with a knee slide, as is the way these days. Miserable sod sat behind us started complaining about the damage he’d done to the pitch
 

Old Yard Dog

Established Member
Joined
21 Aug 2011
Messages
1,823
Travel costs were much lower in the early 2000s when we had three step 2 leagues: Northern Premier for the north, Isthmian for the SE and Southern for the SW. The Isthmian League used to be very selfish & restrict membership to clubs near London but I think they eventually were forced to relent and a fairer geographical split was eventually hammered out.

The trouble was that structure only allowed one club to be promoted from each step 2 league. So a number of clubs, such as Nuneaton Borough I seem to remember, started pressing for the formation of National League North & South, notwithstanding all the extra travelling that would incur (but not so much for Nuneaton!).

At some point in a pyramid you're going to have two divisions feeding one. But you don't need to have two into one (or four into two) at every level. The current structure has symmetry simply for the sake of symmetry. A structure with more layers based on three into two from step 3 to 2 and at all levels below would reduce the jeopardy implicit in 4-down 22-club leagues. It would also allow more clubs to play in the FA Vase rather the FA Trophy where current step 4 sides stand no chance whatsoever having to play up to 11 games to get to Wembley.

Bradford have played in a number of geographically inappropriate leagues over the years. We played in the Southern League in 1907/08, following Oldham Athletic who played down south in 1904/05. We then played in the Notts/Derby based Central Midlands League in 1989/90 followed by the Lancs/Cheshire/Cumbria based NW Counties League from 1990 to 1995.
 

Ted633

Member
Joined
15 Mar 2018
Messages
561
From a winning position nuno makes subs and West Ham blow it again. Would hate to follow them now but somehow I still get wound up even though I dont go and refuse to watch
Not helped by some pretty inept refereeing/VAR. Handball in the buildup, though apparently it was a legal handball though as it bounced off the player first. What wasn’t legal was 6ft4 Mavropanos almost getting his head kicked off by a very high foot. If he had gone down and rolled around on the floor clutching his face I expect a foul would‘ve been given.
 

AlterEgo

Verified Rep - Wingin' It! Paul Lucas
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
29,277
Location
LBK
There's an unwritten law that an overhead kick in the centre circle next to a player's head is always a foul, but inside the box you can decapitate someone.

The high foot in the box against West Ham is given anywhere else on the pitch. Because it is a foul. Once again VAR rules are pathetic and the entire charade has to be binned. Go watch lower league football where spectators aren't routinely cheated by all this complexity.

I hate VAR and it has ruined the game entirely.
 

SuspectUsual

Established Member
Joined
11 Jul 2018
Messages
6,704
The high foot in the box against West Ham is given anywhere else on the pitch. Because it is a foul. Once again VAR rules are pathetic and the entire charade has to be binned. Go watch lower league football where spectators aren't routinely cheated by all this complexity.

I hate VAR and it has ruined the game entirely.

There are loads of offences which would be given as free kicks outside the penalty area but generally don't get given as penalties inside the area.

All the grappling and shirt pulling when a corner comes into the box for a start

Loads of the "minor contact" free kicks

This has been the case for as long as I can remember and it happens just as much in leagues without VAR as it does in those with it

Yes, there's a lot wrong with the way VAR is being applied in the premier league, but it isn't fundamentally flawed
 

DarloRich

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Oct 2010
Messages
32,892
Location
Fenny Stratford
FIFA latest: 2026 World Cup 'Pride Match' to feature Egypt and Iran

A 2026 World Cup fixture designated by organisers as an LGBTQ+ 'Pride Match' will feature two countries where homosexuality is illegal.

The local organising committee in Seattle, one of the host cities for the Fifa tournament next summer, have said the match at the city's Lumen Field on 26 June will feature celebrations of the LGBTQ+ community.

The plans were put in place before the teams involved in the fixture were selected or the draw for the 2026 World Cup was made.

And following Friday's draw and Saturday's fixture allocation, it has been confirmed that the game on 26 June in Seattle will be the Group G match between Egypt and Iran.

In Iran, the maximum punishment for homosexual relations is the death penalty, while in Egypt, morality laws are frequently used to suppress LGBTQ+ rights and relationships.
 

AlterEgo

Verified Rep - Wingin' It! Paul Lucas
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
29,277
Location
LBK
There are loads of offences which would be given as free kicks outside the penalty area but generally don't get given as penalties inside the area.

All the grappling and shirt pulling when a corner comes into the box for a start

Loads of the "minor contact" free kicks

This has been the case for as long as I can remember and it happens just as much in leagues without VAR as it does in those with it

Yes, there's a lot wrong with the way VAR is being applied in the premier league, but it isn't fundamentally flawed
VAR now results in extended legalistic post-match adjudication with VAR scrutiny panels - the important thing is that previously, people merely accepted that refereeing was an art and could never be a science. Now we have nonsense like KMI panels saying stuff like "well the on field decision was wrong but also not a clear and obvious error so, uhh...hmm that is just how it is".

Football is a spectator sport and is the most popular sport in the world because it marries art and athleticism to produce the most aesthetically satisfying sport, which also perfectly balances luck and skill in deciding the victor. The best team doesn't always win - that is part of the appeal! Reducing its rules - which are almost entirely subjective - to scientific or legalistic inquiry demeans the spectacle, cheats fans and reduces the pantomime villain to an unseen character who speaks through telepathy to an on-stage vassal who merely wears the costume but has reduced agency. I think all VAR is foul and anti-art. That's before we get started on whether it's worth celebrating last minute winners in case a toe was measured by lasers to be offside or whether it's fine that a handball occurred because the goalkeeper ended up saving it and "starting a new phase". Vile stuff. No such thing as phases of play, the entire match is theatre in two acts.

Football's increasing grasp of the cultural sphere beyond the confines of the stadium on match day demeans it. If you must have VAR they should sit in an open gantry above the centre circle so they can be insulted just like everyone else involved with the game.

I feel VAR is an instinctive political and cultural identifier which speaks volumes about one's outlook on life. The game is more enjoyable as a spectacle without VAR. I prefer to watch the fourth division.
 

Cross City

Member
Joined
27 Jan 2020
Messages
932
Location
Birmingham
previously, people merely accepted that refereeing was an art and could never be a science


That's the thing though, they didn't.

Everybody who moans about VAR conveniently forgets that before VAR was a thing MOTD would be filled with Premier League managers every week, and internet boards would be chokka of moaning fans lamenting refereeing decisions and saying "the refs need help". The pressure for helping the refs got so big at one point a few clubs were mooting legal action.

It's just a revisionist fallacy that everybody was happy before VAR because that just isn't true.
 

AlterEgo

Verified Rep - Wingin' It! Paul Lucas
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
29,277
Location
LBK
That's the thing though, they didn't.

Everybody who moans about VAR conveniently forgets that before VAR was a thing MOTD would be filled with Premier League managers every week, and internet boards would be chokka of moaning fans lamenting refereeing decisions and saying "the refs need help". The pressure for helping the refs got so big at one point a few clubs were mooting legal action.

It's just a revisionist fallacy that everybody was happy before VAR because that just isn't true.
I didn't claim everyone was happy - in fact, the appeal of football is that people will not be happy at its uneven and uncertain outcomes. Football does not exist to make people *happy*, it is there to entertain, amuse, provide distraction, in the same way any other artistic or sporting pursuit does.

Generally however, people did accept that officiating was an art; in fact, the "I wouldn't give that as a blooming *penalty*, the foul has to be a bit more than that in the box" is as old as the hills. As you correctly say, one of the reasons VAR came about is because clubs (not fans, of course, but the clubs and their owners) wanted to start legal action. Another is that the TV companies felt it would produce additional content. The thoughts of fans weren't relevant; they are only used after the fact to justify the change. Now there are even live Twitter updates from the refereeing authorities in real time, explaining decisions and delays as if they are a train company. You can hear audio from the VAR room too, as if anyone cares.

So this is what you have. Lawfare. Hope everyone is happy.

There is a big difference between an incident not being seen and one which has been dissected to the point where it becomes a meaningless exercise. "After review, number 8's arm is in an unnatural position, does not have a defence in my view given the distance between the ball and the player, and the ball hits the player below the T shirt line, so my decision is a penalty kick" - just nonsense. Shut up explaining it to us. The claim now that VAR is a better authority because it operates on a post facto, legalistic structure rather than the application of the on-field referee's own fiat is totally undermined because the laws *are subjective* in nearly every single case.

I think I might be one of very few people - perhaps the only person here - who has played football which was televised. The game, watched back on TV, bears no relation to the one which was played. "I had loads of space there but it didn't feel like it at the time" "I was clipped there but it does look like I dived" etc etc.

Fouls are committed, felt, heard, and given in the context of the on field environment. Having it all played back in super slow motion and then judged is anathema. Football is an experience, it is not something to be judged only by the eyes. It has never been about facts. It is a spontaneous, flowing, visceral game which gained popularity because of its uncertain outcomes - a sport which, in VAR, has adopted the clothing of lesser sports; clothing which doesn't suit it.

Bin the whole lot.
 

Top