Football

[DarloRich]

Was that not Lincoln City back in 1987 who were the first team to come straight back up after bowing out of the basement division? Also I believe the original Darlington FC did so in 1990, and more recently, Bristol Rovers came straight back up last year?
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There is no "original" Darlington football club - we are, always have been and always will be Darlington Football Club

 

[adrock1976]

Did they not go into liquidation a few years ago, with the present day outfit called Darlington 1883 succeeding them?

Apologies that I'm not an expert on the history of North East football.

 

[bb21]

I think that Leicester have proved him, and indeed all of us, wrong.

I don't think Leicester are as skint as you think they may be.

 

[fowler9]

Was that not Lincoln City back in 1987 who were the first team to come straight back up after bowing out of the basement division? Also I believe the original Darlington FC did so in 1990, and more recently, Bristol Rovers came straight back up last year?
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I was expecting the not so mighty nowadays Villa to have bowed out of the top flight at some point, with the way the club is being (mis)managed in recent seasons.

You can only ride luck for a certain amount of time before it runs out, with this season being when the luck finally ran out for the Villa.

A positive I can see is that it gives the chance for a fresh start. On a final point, Villa won the European Cup in 1982 by doing it the proper way i.e. to enter the tournament, you had to actually win the top flight championship. None of this present day nonsense of runners up, third and fourth placed teams sneaking in. As it is not my intention to upset Man Utd, Liverpool, or Chelsea fans who may be on this thread, I simply do not recognise the 1999, 2005, and 2012 winners of the European Cup as those teams did not win the top flight division the previous season.

Fair play mate and no offence taken. We still won it 4 times after being the Champions in England.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Fair play mate and no offence taken. We still won it 4 times after being the Champions in England.

Of course Nottingham Forest are the only team in Europe to have been European Champions more times than domestic champions. Also the last team to be English champions for the first time, at least for a couple of weeks!

 

[RichmondCommu]

To Aston Villa fans: don't worry, there's always a chance that you can bounce straight back up, like other teams did - Norwich bounced straight back up. So did Newcastle, West Brom, Manchester City, and, of course, David Cameron's favourite club, West Ham!

Wait a minute...

For every Newcastle United there's always a Coventry City! Are you sure about Manchester City? They sank to deep depths before getting back to the Top Flight, including losing to Bury at Maine Road!

In all honesty I have no sympathy for Villa fans given that in the past their supporters have taken great delight in laughing at those who are about to get relegated. Newcastle United fans were certainly victims of this in 2009.

 

[fowler9]

Never really been one for cheering about teams getting relegated to be honest. Always had a soft spot for Coventry City, have a mate who supports them and went to the away in the 2000/01 season when Liverpool pretty much relegated them. Was chatting to my mates dad on the way to the ground and he told me how his first date with his wife was at a game at Highfield Road when they got promoted. Gary Mac scored for us and didn't celebrate, really respected him for that. My mates dad is sadly no longer with us.

 

[backontrack]

I think the Cheltenham stat is that they're the 1st team to go straight back up as champions in ? years.

First to bounce back as champions in the modern era.
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I don't think Leicester are as skint as you think they may be.

Fair point.
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Of course, perhaps Aston Villa wouldn't be in this position if they didn't sell off all their best players. Gareth Barry, Darren Bent, Christian Benteke, Fabian Delph, James Milner, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing all used to play for Villa.

 

[Antman]

For every Newcastle United there's always a Coventry City! Are you sure about Manchester City? They sank to deep depths before getting back to the Top Flight, including losing to Bury at Maine Road!

In all honesty I have no sympathy for Villa fans given that in the past their supporters have taken great delight in laughing at those who are about to get relegated. Newcastle United fans were certainly victims of this in 2009.

All part and parcel of the game I guess, fans mocking other clubs misfortunes?

Looks like any two from three to join Villa in the championship next season and I'd fancy Sunderland to survive.

 

[richw]

For every Newcastle United there's always a Coventry City! Are you sure about Manchester City? They sank to deep depths before getting back to the Top Flight, including losing to Bury at Maine Road!

In all honesty I have no sympathy for Villa fans given that in the past their supporters have taken great delight in laughing at those who are about to get relegated. Newcastle United fans were certainly victims of this in 2009.

I'm convinced that man city dropped as far as div 2 (league 1 in today's money).
They beat gillingham in the play offs - my old school mate was a massive gillinghan fan and recall watching the game with him.
Saying that they may well have been relegated from the prem and bounced back on a different occasion.
In fact you could say Leicesters path is very similar to man city, drop to league one, bounce back and win prem within a few seasons. Both have rich owners, Leicester have spent more responsibly and productively, spending on scouting and back room staff whereas man city just chucked millions at any player who'd sign for them

 

[backontrack]

All part and parcel of the game I guess, fans mocking other clubs misfortunes?

Looks like any two from three to join Villa in the championship next season and I'd fancy Sunderland to survive.

I'm not sure. If anything, then I think that Newcastle will stay up somehow. Sunderland always have to make a 'great escape' from here. Now that it looks like they might stay up, I think there might be a sting in the tail of the season. Newcastle could always 'pull a Leicester' and start winning from here. Then Norwich and Sunderland would be relegated.

Yesterday's fixtures were pivotal, obviously. But if recent dogfights have been very open, they all seem to be very closed this year - in all the leagues! Premier League relegation will be picking 2 teams from 4 (effectively 3), the Championship is pretty much done (Bolton are down), League 2 will need York to win and Newport County to mess up all their fixtures (Dag & Red are down), in Scotland, Dundee Utd are pretty much down and it's Killie (or possibly Hamilton) for the play-offs, in the Scottish Championship Alloa are going down (with either Livingston or Dumbarton in the play-offs), and in League 2 East Stirling are 7 points adrift of Arbroath/Montrose. It's only League 1 in both countries where there's a fight going on; Crewe are down, but the team in 17th could still be relegated, and in Scotland, where the two Strathmore teams, Forfar and Brechin, are separated at the bottom by one point, with Stenhousemuir and Cowdenbeath both still at risk above them.

 

[LuSiVe]

Chesterfield 0 - 3 Sheffield Utd

As gutless a performance as I've ever seen considering it was a local derby and we're still under threat of relegation. The players strolled round the pitch as if already on their summer holidays (presumably thinking the hard work had been done last week in our excellent vistory away at Barnsley), nobody looking remotely fired up or bothered. We gifted Sheff U their goals and they never needed to get out of first gear.

Our home form has been absolutely shocking this season and I don't see it improving. We play Doncaster on Tuesday night who, having not won in living memory suddenly woke up and beat league leaders Wigan. Nailed on they win again on Tuesday.

Grrrrrrr

 

[Lankyline]

All part and parcel of the game I guess, fans mocking other clubs misfortunes?QUOTE]

Blackpool took great delight in mocking us, even hiring a plane and flying a banner over Deepdale ! Now look at them, hopefully relegation to League 2 and maybe eventually a local derby with AFC Fylde

Would love to see Accy Stanley get promoted, particularly since its 10 years from when they were promoted back to the football league

 

[LuSiVe]

Would love to see Accy Stanley get promoted, particularly since its 10 years from when they were promoted back to the football league

Me too ... other than the fact that we'd inevitably get to visit them in January when it's the most horribly cold place on earth (other than Oldham...)

 

[backontrack]

All part and parcel of the game I guess, fans mocking other clubs misfortunes?

Blackpool took great delight in mocking us, even hiring a plane and flying a banner over Deepdale ! Now look at them, hopefully relegation to League 2 and maybe eventually a local derby with AFC Fylde

You guys should fly a banner saying "Now who's laughing?"

 

[Gutfright]

A very decent old firm match in the semis of the Scottish Cup, Rangers won on penalties!

Which I didn't see because I was watching Jon Moss having a bit of a nightmare as referee in the Leicester vs West Ham match. Still, a goal for the foxes in the 96th minute - that's what champions do?!?

 

[backontrack]

Vardy was sent off for diving. It ended 2-2.

 

[Gutfright]

The Old Firm match was also 2-2 after extra time, 1-1 at the end of normal time. Rangers won 5-4 on penalties.

 

[EM2]

Vardy was sent off for diving. It ended 2-2.

Vardy was sent off for a second yellow. Probably the right decision.
West Ham got a penalty for a foul on Reid by Morgan. Probably the right decision.
Leicester were not awarded a penalty for a foul on Huth by Ogbonna. Wrong decision.
Leicester got a penalty for a foul on Schlupp by Carroll. Wrong decision.
Probably the right result on the balance of play, but a terrible performance by the referee.

 

[Bungle965]

Shocking performance by the ref in the Leicester game.
Sam

 

[adrock1976]

The Old Firm match was also 2-2 after extra time, 1-1 at the end of normal time. Rangers won 5-4 on penalties.

I would like to mention that the Old Firm ceased to exist when the original Glasgow Rangers went into liquidation back in 2012, as a result of them being caught operating a dubious tax dodging scheme/scam.

The present incarnation is Rangers International Football Club, who were previously known as The Rangers, and started out as Sevco 5088 before applying for membership of the Scottish FA, and starting out in the basement division.

 

[Railops]

Shocking performance by the ref in the Leicester game.
Sam

One of the worst refereeing performances I've ever seen.

 

[backontrack]

Vardy was sent off for a second yellow. Probably the right decision.
West Ham got a penalty for a foul on Reid by Morgan. Probably the right decision.
Leicester were not awarded a penalty for a foul on Huth by Ogbonna. Wrong decision.
Leicester got a penalty for a foul on Schlupp by Carroll. Wrong decision.
Probably the right result on the balance of play, but a terrible performance by the referee.

So...how does this really matter?

In your opinion, Leicester shouldn't have got a penalty for one thing but should have got one for another. Which boils down to...one penalty. Which is what happened anyway.

 

[Gutfright]

I would like to mention that the Old Firm ceased to exist when the original Glasgow Rangers went into liquidation back in 2012, as a result of them being caught operating a dubious tax dodging scheme/scam.

The present incarnation is Rangers International Football Club, who were previously known as The Rangers, and started out as Sevco 5088 before applying for membership of the Scottish FA, and starting out in the basement division.

A bit of a "ship of Theseus" situation with Rangers, but most people (who don't go to bed in green and white hooped pyjamas) accept that what we saw today in the semi-finals was an Old Firm match.

 

[EM2]

So...how does this really matter?

In your opinion, Leicester shouldn't have got a penalty for one thing but should have got one for another. Which boils down to...one penalty. Which is what happened anyway.

It matters because the referee wasn't consistent.

 

[adrock1976]

I forgot to make it clear in my previous post that as I'm an Aston Villa and Partick Thistle fan, I do not give a toss about either the Ibrox or Parkhead teams.

As I adopted Partick Thistle as my Scottish team, that declaration when I've been asked what team I support/is there a Scottish team I like, has got me out of awkward situations over the years - especially when close to the 12th July.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

One of the worst refereeing performances I've ever seen.

I saw a worse one in the 3rd round of the FA cup this season. Can't remember the name of the referee but with the score at 1-0 to Huddersfield he failed to award a blatant penalty to Huddersfield and instead booked Nahki Wells for diving, much to the relief of Reading's keeper Ali Al Habsi who certainly felt he'd committed a foul. With the game drawing to a close with Reading leading 1-2 he then awarded a much softer penalty to Huddersfield, possibly to atone for the earlier error. I was relieved when Wells put it away but to be honest, two wrongs don't make a right...

 

[Gutfright]

I forgot to make it clear in my previous post that as I'm an Aston Villa and Partick Thistle fan, I do not give a toss about either the Ibrox or Parkhead teams.

As I adopted Partick Thistle as my Scottish team, that declaration when I've been asked what team I support/is there a Scottish team I like, has got me out of awkward situations over the years - especially when close to the 12th July.

Everybody knows that all people who claim to be Jags fans support one of the Old Firm really.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Arsenal 1...Crystal Palace 1

A useful away point for Crystal Palace, but this result leaves Arsenal still in 4th position on 60 points, but with a worse goal difference than Manchester City.

 

[Gutfright]

Sorry to repeatedly bore y'all with Scottish football, but...

I'm reading in the online press that Celtic manager Ronny Deila is facing the sack after today's result. Celtic will inevitably win the Scottish Premiership, but that is the bare minimum Hoops fans expect. It seems as though Delia will pay the price for poor results in Europe as, with some justification, Celtic see themselves as a "big club" (and in terms of supporter base that's difficult to deny) who should be achieving more than Delia has delivered.