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These clubs have no concern for the traditional match day fans, other than to act as moving scenery and a backdrop to proceedings. They don't care about fans having to travel to other countries midweek - remember that La Liga was already coming under pressure to have a game in the States and then there was the Premier League's 39th game (lord knows where). This is about maximising global revenues from streaming subscriptions and associated merchandise.

Of course, the big 12 want to stay in their domestic leagues but it fundamentally affects the legitimacy of the competitions. It's not only that having even more money will distort the PL anyway, having more money to pay big salaries and so dwarfing the spending power teams like Wolves or Everton or whoever even further. If by Feb/Mar, Arsenal and Spurs (for sake of argument) have no likelihood of winning the PL, and have no jeopardy in qualifying for the ESL but are still involved in it, they can simply start fielding weakened teams and that can affect those teams fighting relegation.

Perhaps the most galling aspect is the absolute feeling of entitlement that the big 6 are the big 6, and this will enshrine this in perpetuity. I mean, Arsenal and Spurs are demonstrably not at the moment, and fortunes wax and wane. We all know that Man City was in the third tier in 1999 and needed a very fortunate play-off capitulation by Gillingham to get out of that division. Go back 30 years and whilst all 6 were in Div 1, Leeds and Crystal Palace were top 6 with Spurs and Chelsea being mid-table. Man Utd hadn't won Div 1 for 20+ years (and had a season in Div 2). Chelsea had won nothing aside from one League title and a few FA Cups (plus the Cup Winners Cup) before the Russian millions. Spurs even now have only won the top title TWICE - the last time 60 years ago.

It is a fundamental erosion of the integrity of the Premier League and the pyramid.
 
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My main issue here isn't really the competition specifically, its the closed shop nature of it and some of the attitudes that have come out of the woodwork that really disgust me.
Talk of existing fans as "legacy fans" and trying to justify the new competition by saying they want consistency in the competition. Consistency in the competition? Who the hell wants that? Who wants an underperforming Arsenal team (currently 9th in the league) to walk into next years tournament but a West Ham or Leicester who finish in the top 4 don't? The whole damn point of football is competition and for those at the top to have to consistently prove they are the best year in year out, giving the (outside) chance for someone like Leicester to beat them.
Just don't travel to away games in another country. I find TV covers that issue.
I suspect that is where your opinion will differ completely from those of us who do travel to games week in week out.
The only thing that surprises me about this is that the ESL hasn't yet started talking about hosting games in the Americas, the Middle East & Asia. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the money supporting this is coming from those directions, and that somewhere down the line teams from those countries will be incorporated. its all been on the cards for years, and whilst many pundits are saying it won't happen I'd still put it at 50/50. All it needs to get off the ground is the hosting subscription network made available worldwide and you'd have hundreds of millions of potential punters.

I seriously fear for the future of the rest of football if it turns into a US style sports franchise, with clubs upping and moving as they chase the cash.
I suspect this is the exact reason why if you look closely, the clubs involved haven't called it the European Super League, just The Super League. The writing is clearly there for what they want to do with the game.
 

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And the first club to change their minds about this madness are:
Chelsea...


Chelsea are preparing documentation to request their withdrawal from the European Super League (ESL).

Efforts to leave come just two days after Chelsea were announced as one of six English clubs to sign up to the controversial new competition.
The ESL has been widely criticised since being announced on Sunday.
 

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Apparently City are as well.

I have to admit watching Perez slither in fury and anger will be one of the most satisfying things ever. Hes a monster of a man, Agnelli as well.
 

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Personally, I think that Chelsea and any other teams that change their mind should still be punished (Points deduction or relegation seems more appropriate. For the teams that won't change their mind, they should just be kicked out of the league and banned from all competitions. (That sounds harsh but they damaged football, so that's what I think it should be!).

(I suspect Man Utd, Real Madrid and maybe Liverpool will be the ones that won't step down from the idea.
 

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Man City expected to follow shortly. Reports coming out of Spain that Atletico and Barcelona are hot on their heels.

I read today that some of the board members of these clubs weren’t even consulted. These are Gerald Ratner levels of not reading the room!

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Personally, I think that Chelsea and any other teams that change their mind should still be punished (Points deduction or relegation seems more appropriate. For the teams that won't change their mind, they should just be kicked out of the league and banned from all competitions. (That sounds harsh but they damaged football, so that's what I think it should be!).

(I suspect Man Utd, Real Madrid and maybe Liverpool will be the ones that won't step down from the idea.

When the fans, the team, the manager, the staff and even half the board members knew nothing about this and have called it out for what it is that feels like punishing the wrong people to me.
I don’t know what should be done instead though.
 

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When the fans, the team, the manager, the staff and even half the board members knew nothing about this and have called it out for what it is that feels like punishing the wrong people to me.
I don’t know what should be done instead though.
I agree, it is unfair on the team/manager/players and staff - but the damage has been done though.
 

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I wonder if the threat of being booted out of the Champions League this year has sharpened City and Chelsea’s minds at all?
 

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Didn’t this idea come up in a slightly different form a few years back, and they thought it might include Rangers and Celtic?

Or am I thinking of a ridiculous idea to parachute said Scottish clubs into the English top league - while glossing over the issue of who would make the room for them...
 
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The Glazers and others will be wanting their money back now before they go. Simon Jordan o talksport was right that one of the big reasons for this was the out of control costs of running football. Pity these big clubs can't get together and impose a salary cap instead. How any player on earth needs to earn 300k plus a week is beyond belief.
 

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Looks like the Super Duper league has gone very badly wrong. The clubs still need to be punished for their treachery. Maybe give City and Chelsea a slight tariff reduction for remorse. Only a 10 division demotion for them ;)
 

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Nah Arsenal will be the last to go of the english clubs. Kroenke is spineless and I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he tried to relocate the team.
 

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Personally I wouldn’t pay to attend a game with no atmosphere, which Wembley struggled with at the best of times, so I don’t blame the fans for not wanting to go.
I wouldn’t bother either. Waste of time and money.
 

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All six english clubs are withdrawing now apparently. The italian clubs still remain convinced about the super league. I can't wait to see Perez's reaction.
 

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Aren’t Villa and Everton in the all time top six anyway?

ah my mistake, I forgot for a moment that at least according to Sky football statistics only date from 1992/3...
 

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All six english clubs are withdrawing now apparently. The italian clubs still remain convinced about the super league. I can't wait to see Perez's reaction.

Thank God. Waste of time, money and energy. Let's put that sorry saga behind us.
 

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Liverpool has officially announced the club is withdrawing from the European Super League.

Absolutely the right decision, but it should have never have got to this in the first place. However, despite Fenway Sports Group deciding to discontinue their interest in participating in the ESL, I don't see the massive amount of trust and respect FSG had rightfully earned from the vast majority of Liverpool's fanbase ever being won back. The rather hastily scrapped plan to introduce the £70 tickets several years ago was forgivable, but this debacle is on another level.
 

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