Football

[BlueFox]

Congratulations England from a Welshman. I'm a little confused as to why Vardy didn't take a penalty though. He doesn't miss many for Leicester.

It looked like he was injured.

 

[Kneedown]

It looked like he was injured.

Ahhh, that'd do it.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

ABBA Penalties anyone?

I confess to knowing nowt about that ABBA thing you mention. I do like how the serving sequence in the tie-break in tennis works.

 

[Mindy]

Congrats to England really thought that would of been another let down after the goal

 

[SteveP29]

I must say that I’ve enjoyed 5 Live’s coverage of this World Cup. Especially Sutton, Waddle and Butcher.
Chris Suttons co-commentary at the end of the South Korea - Germany game was absolutely hilarious.
The podcast is pretty good too.

Have you counted how many times Waddle has said Pelanty?

There’s nothing wrong with women being involved in *reporting* on football, but the female professionals won’t understand the men’s game. Likewise, the male professionals won’t understand the women’s game. The games really are substantially different from a playing perspective, not least in culture. The techniques employed in both games differ and there are some techniques women find easier than men and vice versa, thanks to different physicalities. Having someone like Aluko try to give the benefit of her playing experience in the men’s World Cup is a waste of time and nothing she says comes from a position of authority. It’s exactly the same when you get a male pro commenting on the women’s game.

What techniques are these then?
What's different, its the same game, quick frankly, please don't be offended by this, but you're talking b**locks there

 

[Tetchytyke]

There’s nothing wrong with women being involved in *reporting* on football, but the female professionals won’t understand the men’s game.

KICKY KICKY KICK KICK is too complicated for their delicate feminine minds?

It's the same bloody game.

If you have someone like Robbie Savage acting as a pundit for international matches, why not Aluko? At least she's eloquent and doesn't sound like an adenoidal inbred goat. And what does Ian Wright know about tournament football? He never made a squad.

 

[AlterEgo]

KICKY KICKY KICK KICK is too complicated for their delicate feminine minds?

It's the same bloody game.

If you have someone like Robbie Savage acting as a pundit for international matches, why not Aluko? At least she's eloquent and doesn't sound like an adenoidal inbred goat.

I don’t think Savage is a good pundit either. The whole point of getting professional footballers in is so they can tell the viewer something which comes from a position of experience.

I’ve watched a lot of women’s football live. Other than the fact the game is played on a big rectangle of grass with lines on it, it’s a totally different game. The whole culture is different. Women play the game in a very different way to men. Both games are great spectacles in their own right. I would much rather take a family to watch women’s football as it’s a more wholesome experience with better sportsmanship.

Women professionals appearing at the World Cup (for men) and being pundits is fundamentally wrong, because they’ve never played the men’s game. Likewise, men haven’t played the women’s game, and shouldn’t be invited to give their professional opinion during the Women’s World Cup.

 

[Darandio]

Probably not unexpected, but the Colombian manager has now stated his anger at the England 'antics'. He mentions the penalty, saying players collide and fall, obviously no mention of his player trying to ride Harry Kane like a horse. He then claims football needs to be defended, this suggests to me that he believes England were playing anti-football, but it should be obvious to anyone that it was Colombia that were determined not to play.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12098/11425618/colombia-boss-angry-at-england-antics

Colombia manager Jose Pekerman has expressed his anger at England's players, accusing them of diving in their World Cup last-16 clash.

Gareth Southgate's side progressed to the quarter-finals after winning a penalty shootout in Moscow on Tuesday evening, but looked set win 1-0 in normal time after Harry Kane won a second-half penalty which was bitterly disputed by the Colombia players.

Yerry Mina took the game to extra-time with an injury-time equaliser, but there were several flashpoints throughout the game including a first-half altercation between Jordan Henderson and Wilmar Barrios which saw the England player go down claiming a headbutt.

And Pekerman was frustrated by the perceived antics of England's players, insisting the officials will come down more harshly on them in Saturday's quarter-final against Sweden.

"Players fall in the box, they collide and fall," he said.

"You have to try and stand in the shoes of these players. They are subject to situations which shouldn't really be present in football.

"These interruptions are bad. When there are so, so many fouls and interruptions I think that's not good.

"We have to try and find the right balance so that football can happen and the two sides can play the match with good intentions.

"We shouldn't only look at Colombian players, people should look at England players. I wish I was wrong, but I think from the next match England will be much more careful.

"Today we were on the receiving end of this but I hope it won't happen again. It's been absolutely obvious, too obvious."

He added: "I think we have to try and defend football and we should do a little more to try to prevent certain situations knowing that they may arise.

"It has been very uncomfortable to play this match knowing that feeling was in the air about refereeing decisions.

"Something is happening in football. There is a lot of confusion. What if the player falls because he fakes a fall or is being pushed by an opponent or they are trying to get the referee to book another player?"

 

[DarloRich]

Peckerman is in his late 60's. Perhaps his eyesight isnt that good anymore......................

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Peckerman is in his late 60's. Perhaps his eyesight isnt that good anymore......................

Selective Blindness and Selective Judgement are common conditions for football managers. Arsene Wenger and Garry Monk and Neil Warnock have all been afflicted in the past.

 

[Cowley]

Peckerman is in his late 60's. Perhaps his eyesight isnt that good anymore......................

Well in that case I can think of an available replacement...



Edit - 61653 got there before me. But I didn’t see it.

 

[Tetchytyke]

The whole culture is different. Women play the game in a very different way to men. Both games are great spectacles in their own right.

I don't know, it's not always that different...

And this match was a festival of sh!housing that even Colombia would be proud of!

 

[Antman]

Congratulations England from a Welshman. I'm a little confused as to why Vardy didn't take a penalty though. He doesn't miss many for Leicester.

I thought Vardy would have taken one, usually smashes them in for Leicester, unless he was injured? I didn't think Henderson looked confident but it didn't matter in the end!

 

[Darandio]

I thought Vardy would have taken one, usually smashes them in for Leicester, unless he was injured?

Apprently he was and had an injection immediately after the game. Doubtful for Saturday as well apparently.

 

[Howardh]

ABBA Penalties anyone?

Often wondered if the penalties could be altered a bit. I always thought as they were shoot-outs then they should be taken from further out, say the "D" to give keepers a better chance. As for ABBA - that could confuse fans (well, me then) where we're up to.
But if we really want a complicated system, try this...Blues go first and they keep taking until they miss...ie G, G, G, Miss.
So the red team goes in and has to better that....so they have to go G, G, G, G which wins the game. If they went G, G, G, M, then we have sudden death.
or we could simply have a referendum amongst the fans to see who wins....

 

[Howardh]

Apprently he was and had an injection immediately after the game. Doubtful for Saturday as well apparently.

Any chance of the Ingurland Band being doubtful for Saturday??

 

[nlogax]

Any chance of the Ingurland Band being doubtful for Saturday??

One can hope

 

[AlterEgo]

Often wondered if the penalties could be altered a bit. I always thought as they were shoot-outs then they should be taken from further out, say the "D" to give keepers a better chance. As for ABBA - that could confuse fans (well, me then) where we're up to.
But if we really want a complicated system, try this...Blues go first and they keep taking until they miss...ie G, G, G, Miss.
So the red team goes in and has to better that....so they have to go G, G, G, G which wins the game. If they went G, G, G, M, then we have sudden death.
or we could simply have a referendum amongst the fans to see who wins....

In the USA they used to have 35 yard penalties in the shootout. You started with the ball 35 yards out and could dribble it towards goal and shoot on the advancing keeper.

 

[GB]

I don’t think Savage is a good pundit either. The whole point of getting professional footballers in is so they can tell the viewer something which comes from a position of experience.

I’ve watched a lot of women’s football live. Other than the fact the game is played on a big rectangle of grass with lines on it, it’s a totally different game. The whole culture is different. Women play the game in a very different way to men. Both games are great spectacles in their own right. I would much rather take a family to watch women’s football as it’s a more wholesome experience with better sportsmanship.

Women professionals appearing at the World Cup (for men) and being pundits is fundamentally wrong, because they’ve never played the men’s game. Likewise, men haven’t played the women’s game, and shouldn’t be invited to give their professional opinion during the Women’s World Cup.

You haven't actually explained what these differences are...differences that are apparently so big players of the different sexes cannot (or should not) comment on each others games.

 

[AlterEgo]

You haven't actually explained what these differences are...differences that are apparently so big players of the different sexes cannot (or should not) comment on each others games.

I explained a number of significant differences weeks ago, but, summarised:

The women’s game is of a far lower tactical standard than the men’s game. The tactical naivety and lack of positional awareness, particularly in defence are the product of poor coaching.

Goalkeeping is of an abysmal standard compared to the men’s game. This is partly due to female physique - they play in the same size goals after all, despite being smaller.

Women have lower stamina levels than men and tiredness is a more significant factor in many matches.

Women have a different physique and the techniques they use are a little different. Women have a more natural ability to dribble with the ball, thanks to a much lower centre of gravity, in their pelvis as opposed to the lower chest.

Women’s football sees fewer goals scored from distance. Teams defend a little more deeply as a result.

The women’s game features more slide tackling in general and the threshold of contact to draw a foul is higher, with players in general more keen to fight to stay upright and play on.

The women’s game is significantly less visceral and less “nasty” than the men’s game, in part because there is less at stake, particularly during international matches.

The women’s game features better sportsmanship and healthier role models than the men’s game, and women take their duties as role models more seriously.

None of this is to put the women’s game down. Part of the problem is there are too many men involved! The game needs to develop on its own terms.

You really need to watch women’s football, a LOT, to understand the differences. I’m a former semi pro and have played to quite a good level in my youth.

Male professionals haven’t a clue what it’s like to be a woman footballer. Likewise, Aluko and Scott, with the greatest respect to them. have no idea what it’s like to be a male footballer at the highest level. Their professional experience has been gained in the women’s game. The pundits - if they’re ex pros - should be there because of their experience of being in similar situations.

I want to hear from women footballers about women’s football and I want to hear from men footballers about men’s football.

 

[Howardh]

In the USA they used to have 35 yard penalties in the shootout. You started with the ball 35 yards out and could dribble it towards goal and shoot on the advancing keeper.

If anyone's watched (field) hockey recently - IMO a far superior game to football where if the team starts to surround the umpire the captain can get the marching order (yellow card and off for 5 mins+) for not controling his team - tied games are decided by an one-on-one where a player runs in from the 23m line and tries to beat the keeper and has 8 seconds to do so. The scoring rate is something like 30% from those 5 runs, keepers really do have a chance and strikers have to work out their tactics and play to them.

Looking at the youtube football clip, somehow it doesn't seem to work in football, maybe a 2 v 2 (one defender, one keeper) might work with 10 seconds to score? But still think the best way to give shoot-outs balance is to take them as a penalty but from further out (ie in the D), allow two touches (one to set up and one to shoot) and possibly allow the keeper to stand anywhere in the 6 yard box. And if after 5 attempts there's no winner - revert to sudden death penalties.

But NO pulling up your shorts before you shoot. If your shorts get in the way of your shot, wear shorter shorts. No names, Ronaldo.

 

[Antman]

Apprently he was and had an injection immediately after the game. Doubtful for Saturday as well apparently.

Yes this was confirmed on sports news this morning and that he would have taken the fifth penalty.

 

[AlterEgo]

Yes this was confirmed on sports news this morning and that he would have taken the fifth penalty.

Surely you mean the sixth? Dier scored the fifth.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Surely you mean the sixth? Dier scored the fifth.

Injury or not, he could have been required to take one. The 2012 League One play-off final between Huddersfield and Sheffield United went right down the the keepers before being decided. One of the successful takers for the Blades that day was a young Harry Maguire, not sure whatever happened to him...

 

[Darandio]

Surely you mean the sixth? Dier scored the fifth.

Vardy was due to take the fifth before the injury, Dier took his place.

 

[Howardh]

Vardy was due to take the fifth before the injury, Dier took his place.

Was Venison due to follow or was he not in the first elkeven?

Sorry

 

[Antman]

Vardy was due to take the fifth before the injury, Dier took his place.

Yes that's what I meant, I probably didn't explain myself very well

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Was Venison due to follow or was he not in the first eleven?

Sorry

If you mean Barry Venison, he is now 53 years of age. He last played for England in the International Friendly game against Uruguay on 29th March 1995 that ended in a 0-0 draw.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

If you mean Barry Venison, he is now 53 years of age. He last played for England in the International Friendly game against Uruguay on 29th March 1995 that ended in a 0-0 draw.

I can only guess that "Dier" had originally autocorrected as "Deer" before being edited!

 

[Howardh]

If you mean Barry Venison, he is now 53 years of age. He last played for England in the International Friendly game against Uruguay on 29th March 1995 that ended in a 0-0 draw.

He could still do a job for Bury, then.