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[Xenophon PCDGS]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...60m-euros-and-restrict-champions-league-squad.... £32m of that fine is suspended if they do what is required, it's small change to Man City anyway.

Paris St Germain were also fined the same amount and had the same player restriction applied.

At least a fine of some considerable value has been applied.

 

[Saint66]

The biggest issue to City will be the 21 man Champions League squad, 11 of which have to be home grown (?)

Also, limiting transfers to 48m could pose a few problems.

All in all, tougher than I expected!

 

[richw]

The biggest issue to City will be the 21 man Champions League squad, 11 of which have to be home grown (?)

Also, limiting transfers to 48m could pose a few problems.

All in all, tougher than I expected!

They only fielded 20 players in the champs league this season, so that alone isn't the problem, but their lack of home grown will be.

It's 48m plus whatever they sell. The side from this is the additional sanction their wage bill must not increase any higher.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The biggest issue to City will be the 21 man Champions League squad, 11 of which have to be home grown (?) Also, limiting transfers to 48m could pose a few problems.

All in all, tougher than I expected!

In a statement, Manchester City claimed that they only used a 21-man squad in this seasons' current unsuccessful Champions League campaign, but I am sure that the number of home-grown players in that squad of 21 was somewhat less than the 11 that you show in your quote.

 

[Carlisle]

Paris St Germain were also fined the same amount and had the same player restriction applied.

At least a fine of some considerable value has been applied.

Will this FFP scheme stand the test of time ?,it seems so complex and open to different interpretations that I can see a club challenging it in the courts one day and the whole thing may well end up going the way of the golden goal ,old UEFA foreign players rule etc

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Will this FFP scheme stand the test of time ?,it seems so complex and open to different interpretations that I can see a club challenging it in the courts one day and the whole thing may well end up going the way of the golden goal ,old UEFA foreign players rule etc

I note what you say, but at least whilst UEFA as the ruling body still hold the ultimate sanction of not allowing clubs to participate in European club competitions and have already made veiled threats against clubs who challenge their rulings upon the matter in question, it will be a question if the clubs see themselves not bound by any such rulings. With your reference to "the courts", do I take it that you mean those who administer European legal matters and I wonder if UEFA in its existence has ever been challenged legally on any of its rulings. ?

No one forces these clubs to play in these European competitions and if they do do play, they should abide by any rules from UEFA.

 

[Minilad]

I note what you say, but at least whilst UEFA as the ruling body still hold the ultimate sanction of not allowing clubs to participate in European club competitions and have already made veiled threats against clubs who challenge their rulings upon the matter in question, it will be a question if the clubs see themselves not bound by any such rulings. With your reference to "the courts", do I take it that you mean those who administer European legal matters and I wonder if UEFA in its existence has ever been challenged legally on any of its rulings. ?

No one forces these clubs to play in these European competitions and if they do do play, they should abide by any rules from UEFA.

There may well be clubs banned from UEFA competition. But it sure won't be any of the "big boys"
The TV companies who bankroll the competitions will see to that. And I bet some legal eagles are just waiting to screw UEFA on restraint of trade should they try it

 

[Carlisle]

I note what you say, but at least whilst UEFA as the ruling body still hold the ultimate sanction of not allowing clubs to participate in European club competitions and have already made veiled threats against clubs who challenge their rulings upon the matter in question, it will be a question if the clubs see themselves not bound by any such rulings. With your reference to "the courts", do I take it that you mean those who administer European legal matters and I wonder if UEFA in its existence has ever been challenged legally on any of its rulings. ?

No one forces these clubs to play in these European competitions and if they do do play, they should abide by any rules from UEFA.

There was the Bossman ruling and all that but I appreciate that's different bodies involved ,whilst FFP seems fine. in principle ,it could be seen almost communist in some ways so 'restraint of trade ' may be an issue one day

 

[SS4]

There may well be clubs banned from UEFA competition. But it sure won't be any of the "big boys"
The TV companies who bankroll the competitions will see to that. And I bet some legal eagles are just waiting to screw UEFA on restraint of trade should they try it

Of course not, FFP was introduced to cement their position.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The TV companies who bankroll the competitions will see to that. And I bet some legal eagles are just waiting to screw UEFA on restraint of trade should they try it

I am sorry to say that if such an exterior body as you state who "bankroll the competitions" have this amount of power, then it would seem to be them and not UEFA who could be seen to deciding what matters of stricture for non-compliance are to be obeyed.

With the matter of restraint of trade, should UEFA decide to punish any club, then what would occur if any club were to be excluded by UEFA from any European club competitions. It is not a "right" as such to play in these competitions if you examine the original basis used. Some people lose sight of the fact that many of the large wealthy football clubs these days are businesses that are listed on various stock exchanges and if they are found to be in breach of the conditions imposed upon the members of the said stock exchanges, would you say that the legal bodies who act for these football clubs would willingly make a legal challenge to any stricture so imposed by a stock exchange if it was seen that this had been imposed as punishment for misfeasance ?

After the 2008 global banking Armageddon, did you take heed of what occurred world-wide. Did not a certain American extremely large financial institution, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. claim that it was "too big to fail" and used this statement in its post-crash dealings with the American government and then were told by their government that they were indeed being allowed to fail.


As you have brought up the matter of the TV companies who "bankroll these competitions", it does indeed seem that certain financial inducements have seen the competitions lose sight of their original raison d'etre to such a degree that as matters have seen as many as four teams from certain countries appearing in the so-called "Champions League" which makes a mockery of such a league.
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Scottish Cup...Semi-Final

St Johnstone 2...Aberdeen 1

First time that St Johnstone have reached a Scottish Cup Final in their 130 year history.

Scottish Cup Final......a continuation from the original post above describing the semi-final.

St Johnstone 2... Dundee United 0

Congratulations to the team from Perth on finally winning this trophy after a 130 year wait. I hope that they do not have to wait as long again before registering any future win.

 

[12CSVT]

Congratulations to the team from Perth on finally winning this trophy after a 130 year wait. I hope that they do not have to wait as long again before registering any future win.

And this was even longer than Arsenal's wait for a trophy.

 

[RichmondCommu]

And what a game it was for QPR to reach the final. I have to admit I'm not that optimistic of our chances of beating Derby but we should be able to give them more a game than Brighton were in their second leg.

As a Derby fan I think we have the best midfield in the Championship but our defence is suspect. However we're certainly capable of scoring goals. I hope you enjoy the game if not the result!

 

[Saint66]

Louis Van Gaal appointed at United, while Giggs has been made his assistant. Smart move in my opinion.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Louis Van Gaal appointed at United, while Giggs has been made his assistant. Smart move in my opinion.

Interesting to note that the time of the van Gaal contract was one of three years. Ryan Giggs has now said that this new position will see the end of his playing career.

 

[Kite159]

Well done to Cambridge for returning to the football 'league'

 

[Johnuk123]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10842712/Yaya-Toure-considering-leaving-Manchester-City-because-the-club-failed-to-wish-him-happy-birthday.html

Yaya Toure is considering leaving Manchester City because the club's efforts to celebrate his birthday were not up to scratch.

Toure's agent told the BBC that City's efforts were not up to scratch.

"None of them shook his hand on his birthday. It's really sick you know," said Seluk.
"He got a cake but when it was Roberto Carlos's birthday, the president of Anzhi gave him a Bugatti.

I heard this on Sky and thought it was some sort of joke, I mean the bloke's 31 not 7, what a big baby.

The day of Toure's birthday, Manchester City posted footage online of the moment they gave the midfielder a cake and sang 'Happy Birthday' to him onboard the club's plane.
Toure seemed less than impressed though and refused to even acknowledge the gesture, keeping his headphones on and staring straight ahead during the celebrations.

How utterly embarrassing and totally immature.

 

[richw]

How many people here have handed in their notice because the owner if the business didn't wish you happy birthday.How many have been wished happy birthday by the owner of the company your employed by.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10842712/Yaya-Toure-considering-leaving-Manchester-City-because-the-club-failed-to-wish-him-happy-birthday.html


I heard this on Sky and thought it was some sort of joke, I mean the bloke's 31 not 7, what a big baby. How utterly embarrassing and totally immature.

I was not aware that Manchester City ever had Roberto Carlos on their books, so whatever may have been the case of a Bugatti being given to that player as a birthday present, it most certainly something that the owners of Manchester City could not be blamed for.

 

[Darandio]

I heard this on Sky and thought it was some sort of joke, I mean the bloke's 31 not 7, what a big baby.

He has since made a statement, telling people not to believe anything that doesn't come directly from him, and that he is committed to Man City.

However, he then made another statement, saying that everything his agent has said is indeed true and he will clarify after the World Cup.

 

[Saint66]

He's either looking for a new contract (Which, with FFP restrictions, he'll either struggle to get, or have to wait for others to be sold) Or just looking for a way out (Maybe wants another taste of another league now that he's turned 31?)

 

[Kite159]

I'm sure one of the American teams will pay his wages for a couple years if he wants to take it easy

 

[Johnuk123]

How many people here have handed in their notice because the owner if the business didn't wish you happy birthday.How many have been wished happy birthday by the owner of the company your employed by.

As I'm self employed I have ordered myself some Angel Delight, balloons, a large cake and a huge bouncy castle as I don't want to suffer the despair and disappointment that Yaya has suffered.

In my diary I have made an important note to wish myself a very happy birthday on the appointed day.

The only good thing to come out of all this is lucky Yaya hasn't had to buy the doughnuts, so it's not all bad.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

How many people here have handed in their notice because the owner if the business didn't wish you happy birthday.How many have been wished happy birthday by the owner of the company your employed by.

I got a card once.........(with what I assume are computer printed signatures).

My next birthday is coming up though, so maybe I should hold out for a Bugatti after all? (to be honest a Smart Roadster would do.....) Perhaps some of my colleagues will go on strike with me if I don't get one?

 

[Cletus]

Suarez might miss the World Cup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27514880

Uruguay striker Luis Suarez has injured his knee in training and could be a doubt for the World Cup, according to media reports in his homeland.
The 27-year-old Liverpool striker will have keyhole surgery on Thursday to repair damage to his meniscus, says broadcaster Tenfield.
Estimates on his recovery range from 15 days to a minimum of three weeks

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I note that Blackpool who only just escaped relegation from the Championship to League 1 by two points have announced that they have released no less than 17 players at the end of this season.

 

[richw]

I note that Blackpool who only just escaped relegation from the Championship to League 1 by two points have announced that they have released no less than 17 players at the end of this season.

Have they a manager yet? For a while now I've been wondering if something has gone on behind the scenes by the way the club dropped like a rock in water.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Have they a manager yet? For a while now I've been wondering if something has gone on behind the scenes by the way the club dropped like a rock in water.

Barry Ferguson, who was appointed caretaker manager after the departure of Paul Ince, is one of the 17 who are leaving the club.

 

[Whistler40145]

Yes, I agree.

IMHO Blackpool FC have been unsettled since Ian Holloway left in 2012 & there are definitely things going on which we don't know.


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[Xenophon PCDGS]

This coming Saturday, Sunday and Monday will see both elation and depression on the respective football club supporters at the end of the English play-off finals

 

[TEW]

I'm looking forward to my first trip to Wembley tomorrow to see the Championship Play Off final.