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[musicking1306]

Although from what I have heard Rafa rested a load of players for their massive FA cup tie at the weekend...... A 3rd round tie against Southampton

It is funny how big clubs rest their important players for cup matches against lower teams. We just end up with another Bradford vs Arsenal. By the way I am Bristol City through and through.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It is funny how big clubs rest their important players for cup matches against lower teams. We just end up with another Bradford vs Arsenal. By the way I am Bristol City through and through.

That is being somewhat unfair to Southampton. who are currently a Premiership club who have just held Arsenal to a draw in the league, whereas Bradford are from a league somewhere down the football pyramid in comparison.

 

[balne-wonderer]

I wonder how long it will take a certain forum member who supports a team in the Championship to come up with a most creative but convoluted piece of logical reasoning to lay the blame for this result at the feet of Manchester United and their manager in particular..

great result for qpr no doubt about it. I watched Newcastle v Everton. decent game but Newcastle already missing demba ba.

FA cup third round coming up this weekend. Birmingham City for us.
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It is funny how big clubs rest their important players for cup matches against lower teams. We just end up with another Bradford vs Arsenal. By the way I am Bristol City through and through.

best away day in the championship bar none. bristol is an awesome city, we always make a weekend of it.stayed in filton this season just outside bristol. great hotel but even greater night out round bristol.

 

[Ivo]

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You get the idea

Meanwhile, in a game that actually mattered, there was a strong (if slow-starting) victory in Geordie Land today to leave us on the brink of the Top Four (again, and especially after the above ), and Newcastle perilously close to the Trap Door. Pardew better get their form sorted soon, or there will be trouble on Tyneside.

Apparently Everton's current run of scoring in 18 consecutive PL matches (going back to losing to West Brom in the third round of games) is the best current run in the Prem, and the club's best since 1985-86 - the season we would have been favourites for the European Cup but for a certain incident in Belgium.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

In case I don't have time later on today, I'd like to pay my respects to the 66 who attended the Old Firm at Ibrox on this day 42 years ago and never returned home that night. RIP 66, GBNF.

A good win away at Annan Athletic I'm sure would be a nice way to remember them. WATP. WDDWA.

Indeed, this aspiration was successful in the away win there on Wednesday.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Un-Believe-able Jeff!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ace-resemble-player.html?ICO=most_read_module

Saw this little lad on Tuesday at the game. Everyone just found it to be good laugh. Amazing.

 

[musicking1306]

best away day in the championship bar none. bristol is an awesome city, we always make a weekend of it.stayed in filton this season just outside bristol. great hotel but even greater night out round bristol.

That is probably because every team this season bar Crystal palace, Cardiff and Peterborough has got points against us. We are probably the away club people want to visit as you are almost guaranteed points when playing us.

That is being somewhat unfair to Southampton. who are currently a Premiership club who have just held Arsenal to a draw in the league, whereas Bradford are from a league somewhere down the football pyramid in comparison.

I wasn't trying to say that Southampton are a small club I was simply referring to the fact that is a big club of the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester city or even Liverpool lose to anybody when the team is changed it is always questioned and classed as a shock result. You just have to look at the papers today to show you that QPR's result against Chelsea was classed as a shock even though they are in the same league.

 

[Robinson]

Yup, no idea what Forest were thinking in hiring him.

For all the talk about Villa not doing too well in the league it's overlooked that the West Midlands' championship sides aren't doing very well either, especially one not too far from Villa Park [closer than Molineux]

How interesting. Last season it was all McLeish's fault, yet this season it's all Lerner's fault? :?

 

[Ivo]

Un-Believe-able Jeff!!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ace-resemble-player.html?ICO=most_read_module

Saw this little lad on Tuesday at the game. Everyone just found it to be good laugh. Amazing.

Therein lies the problem with Social Networking. It's a bit of fun, and the club and player saw it that way, so that's the end of it.

Would it be considered racist against Japan if I went to an anime convention dressed as an anime character? Of course not

How interesting. Last season it was all McLeish's fault, yet this season it's all Lerner's fault? :?

I honestly believe that Villa would be bottom (maybe 19th) if not for Lambert. As a matter of interest, Villa going down would leave only West Brom; supposing they went down before anyone else returns, we would have no West Midlands teams at all - which hasn't happened in the top flight since...

...I'll get back to you.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Well, Villa I believe are one of the 7 constant PL teams since its creation in 1992 (?), alongside Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton; so two decades at least.

 

[Ivo]

...since never! There has never been a top flight season without West Midlands interest. Villa were relegated for the first time in 1936 (as were Blackburn; the two clubs were the last two founder members to lose their perfect top flight records) for two seasons, when all of Brum, Wolves and West Brom were in the top flight, and again in 1967 for a longer spell, including a brief stint in the Third Division - conveniently when Coventry joined the top flight (and stayed there until 2001). Their most recent blip was in 1987, which lasted for only one year.

Villa I believe are one of the 7 constant PL teams since its creation in 1992 (?), alongside Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Everton; so two decades at least.

That's correct. The closest are Newcastle, Blackburn and West Ham.

If it was reformed to comprise its 20 most frequent clubs, the following would be welcomed into the division (accurate to the end of 2011-12):

1 - Manchester United (20) ************
2 - Arsenal (20) ***
3 - Chelsea (20) ***
4 - Liverpool (20) 2
5 - Aston Villa (20) 2
6 - Tottenham Hotspur (20) 4
7 - Everton (20) 4
8 - Blackburn Rovers (18) *
9 - Newcastle United (18) 2
10- West Ham United (16) 5
11- Manchester City (15) *
12- Middlesbrough (14) 7
13- Bolton Wanderers (13) 6
14- Southampton (13) 8
15- Leeds United (12) 3
16- Sunderland (11) 7
17- Fulham (11) 7
18- Coventry City (9) 11
19- Wimbledon (8) 6
20- Sheffield Wednesday (8) 7

Teams are ranked by number of seasons played. Where teams are tied, best finishing position is used, followed by frequency of said position, followed by average position. Season 2012-13 is not considered. Asterisks indicate title-winning seasons; italicised numbers indicate best finishing position for all other team. Seven clubs have played in what is now League One since 1992; Fulham and Wimbledon (as Milton Keynes Dons) have played in what is now League Two. Manchester City have the best record of all clubs to have played in what is now League One or lower. Of all clubs to have played outside of the Premier League, Newcastle United have the best record outside of the Premier League, having won what is now the Championship on both occasions they have played in said division since 1992. Only Coventry City have not finished in the top ten at least once. Charlton Athletic and Leicester City have also appeared eight times.

The following teams have also finished in the top six at least once:

Norwich City (6) 3
Nottingham Forest (5) 3
Queens Park Rangers (5) 5
Ipswich Town (5) 5

None of these teams have finished in the top six more than once.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Actually, forget what I said. Apparently I forgot about West Brom. Sorry!!!!!

But, here is the answer: There has never been a top flight season without West Midlands interest. Villa were relegated for the first time in 1936 (as were Blackburn, both of whom were the last two founders to lose their perfect top flight records) for two seasons, when all of Brum, Wolves and West Brom were in the top flight, and again in 1967 for a longer spell, including a brief stint in the Third Division - conveniently when Coventry joined the top flight (and stayed there until 2001). Their most recent blip was in 1987, which lasted for only one year.



That's correct. The closest are Newcastle, Blackburn and West Ham.
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Interesting data relating to the Premier League...

If it was reformed to comprise its 20 most frequent clubs, the following would be welcomed into the division (accurate to the end of 2011-12):

1 - Manchester United (20) ************
2 - Arsenal (20) ***
3 - Chelsea (20) ***
4 - Liverpool (20) 2
5 - Aston Villa (20) 2
6 - Tottenham Hotspur (20) 4
7 - Everton (20) 4
8 - Blackburn Rovers (18) *
9 - Newcastle United (18) 2
10- West Ham United (16) 5
11- Manchester City (15) *
12- Middlesbrough (14) 7
13- Bolton Wanderers (13) 6
14- Southampton (13) 8
15- Leeds United (12) 3
16- Sunderland (11) 7
17- Fulham (11) 7
18- Coventry City (9) 11
19- Wimbledon (8) 6
20- Sheffield Wednesday (8) 7

Teams are ranked by number of seasons played. Where teams are tied, best finishing position is used, followed by frequency of said position, followed by average position. Season 2012-13 is not considered. Two other teams have eight appearances (Charlton Athletic and Leicester City). Asterisks indicate title-winning seasons; italicised numbers indicate best finishing position for all other teams. Seven clubs have appeared in what is now League One since 1992; Fulham and Wimbledon (as Milton Keynes Dons) have appeared in what is now League Two since 1992. Of all clubs to have appeared outside of the Premier League, Newcastle United have the best record, having won what is now the Championship on both occasions they have played in said division since 1992. Of all teams listed, only Coventry City have not finished in the top ten at least once.

The following teams have also finished in the top six at least once:

Norwich City (6) 3
Nottingham Forest (5) 3
Queens Park Rangers (5) 5
Ipswich Town (5) 5

None of these teams have finished in the top six more than once.

Seeing Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday back in the Premier League would be a joy to behold.

Nobody misses us and to get back on merit isn't going to happen for ages. Championship is where it's at

I work down in the West Midlands at the moment in Wednesbury. There is the full array of fans here, some WBA, some Villa, couple of Birmingham, some hardcore Walsall fans and a few confused Wolves fans (and of course the glory supporting Man Utd fans) I'm the only Leeds fan here obviously....

It's a like a football heartland down here, personally I love it. It's by far the best place i've ever worked. The Villa fans here are very depressed at the moment.

 

[SS4]

great result for qpr no doubt about it. I watched Newcastle v Everton. decent game but Newcastle already missing demba ba.

FA cup third round coming up this weekend. Small Heath Alliance for us.

FTFY

Looks like Leeds are my second team this weekend Stuff em!

How interesting. Last season it was all McLeish's fault, yet this season it's all Lerner's fault? :?

I never said it was all McLeish's fault nor all Lerner's. Blame was somewhere in the middle. Under McLeish if we went a goal down our heads dropped and we'd either get pounded or try and keep it at 1-0 whereas we fight for 90 minutes now.
Lambert is not entirely blameless of course but the saying about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is entirely true.

 

[Oswyntail]

.....Lambert is not entirely blameless of course but the saying about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is entirely true.

Therev are those who maintain that Lambert is actually doing exactly what everyone is asking for, namely investing in the future rather than trying to buy the present. The gamble, as with all investment, is that the disruption may well damage the club (by relegation); the reward is that, if successful, there will be a tried and tested team able to compete at the highest level. There are times when buying "saviour" players could be likened to trying to cure a hangover with "hair of the dog" (see recent history of Leeds, Portsmouth etc)

 

[Donny Dave]

The danger is though with a young team, after a bad result (8-0 against Chelsea), heads will drop, and it takes a lot longer for players to regain confidence again.

Villa don't need much, just a couple of experienced players (a central defender and central midfielder) who can organise the team on the pitch, and talk to the younger players on and off the pitch.

 

[313103]

It is funny how big clubs rest their important players for cup matches against lower teams. We just end up with another Bradford vs Arsenal. By the way I am Bristol City through and through.

The Bradford City v Arsenal game was not a good point to highlight big clubs attitudes towards lesser cup competitions and to lower league clubs.

Arsenal it seems have become very desperate to win a cup (any cup) that they now put out a near first team in the Capital One cup. In fact Arsenal only rested Arteta and Walcott from the fiasco at Bradford otherwise it was the first eleven.

At the moment you dont know which Arsenal team is playing. They played Newcastle and won 7-3 then drew at lowly Southampton with exactly the same team and were fortuitous to get that.

I think that Arsenal will struggle in the cup this weekend playing Swansea away the best i cen see them doing is getting a draw.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

At the moment you dont know which Arsenal team is playing. They played Newcastle and won 7-3 then drew at lowly Southampton with exactly the same team and were fortuitous to get that.

Football, being the "funny old game" that it is, can throw up some unusual results when all seems to go right for one side in all they do in one particular match. Loath as I am to use Manchester United as an example, howsoever their match a few years ago in 2007 at Old Trafford in the Champions League against A.S.Roma was a match that saw all their shots end in the Roma net, rather than over the bar or wide of the goal....and ended with them winning 7-1.

For some information to a certain supporter of a team in the Championship, Alan Smith was playing in the Manchester United team that day.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Football, being the "funny old game" that it is, can throw up some unusual results when all seems to go right for one side in all they do in one particular match. Loath as I am to use Manchester United as an example, howsoever their match a few years ago in 2007 at Old Trafford in the Champions League against A.S.Roma was a match that saw all their shots end in the Roma net, rather than over the bar or wide of the goal....and ended with them winning 7-1.

For some information to a certain supporter of a team in the Championship, Alan Smith was playing in the Manchester United team that day.

Alan Smith, now theres a name. Never a player blessed with that much talent but incredible workrate and determination.

The amount of times he chased a lost cause and ended up creating a chance was countless. A good example was the 4-3 win over Liverpool back in the PL days, we were 2-0 heading into half time with goals from Hyypia and Ziege. Just before the break Smith chased down a Liverpool defender to the touchline, blocked his clearance and the ball broke kindly for Viduka (who scored all four that day) who swept it in the net. Had we have gone into half time at 2-0 I doubt we'd have even got a draw. So many players wouldn't have even bothered chasing the ball and putting the defender under pressure.

I remember his terrible leg injury as well. Sickening for the lad.

 

[richw]

The "funny old game" scenario can be highlighted with this set of recent results, within the last 2 weeks
Liverpool 1 - villa 3
Chelsea 8 - villa 0
Liverpool 3 - qpr 0
Chelsea 0 - qpr 1

 

[NathanPrior]

Ah the FA Cup tomorrow, a rather boring home tie against Huddersfield for us to lose.

 

[musicking1306]

Ah the FA Cup tomorrow, a rather boring home tie against Huddersfield for us to lose.

I am not looking forward to it for my club Bristol City away at Blackburn but it will be interesting to see the upsets. My moneys on Watford with an upset against Manchester City or Crystal palace at home to Stoke.

 

[balne-wonderer]

alex ferguson could have just created a huge problem for himself.

if he has evidence he needs to show it.if not than Daniel levy needs to begin legal action against him.

 

[tigerroar]

If you have six minutes to spare watch this http://youtu.be/G6u63-PB1ak

It's our game from NYD, 2 minutes into the second half we're 1-0 up, at the end of the unedited clip we're 4-0 up. Listen carefully and you can hear the Will Morford song

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

alex ferguson could have just created a huge problem for himself.

if he has evidence he needs to show it.if not than Daniel levy needs to begin legal action against him.

With regard to the three-sided player/club scenario here, I am very reminded at the saga of John Obi Mikel and the three clubs of Lyn Oslo, Manchester United and Chelsea that occured a few years ago.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

For the Crewe game? I take it you're a fan then?
I could rant for ages on how I hate both of them...

Not at all, there was a possibility I was doing the Metrolink Oldham-Shaw extension last Satrday in late afternoon and wanted to know if I'd avaoid most of the football traffic. Obviously as it's quite far from ground-station, the longer you have to avoid them (e.g. until 1730 instead of 1705). In the end however I didn't go, I'll save it until the East Manchester line opens to so I can buy a day rover and avoid Metrolink's extortionate point-to-point fares.

If you read through this thread it should be very clear who I support, but just to run through it to remove all doubt (in order) - Rangers, Linfield, Blackburn Rovers and Accrington Stanley.

Feel free to rant about why you hate both Oldham and Crewe though, I'm sure Paul Sidorczuk will keenly await your views on his team

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Feel free to rant about why you hate both Oldham and Crewe though, I'm sure Paul Sidorczuk will keenly await your views on his team

With regard to Preston North End, I can do no more than to state the result at Boundary Park early in October 2012...

Oldham Athletic 3...Preston North End 1

 

[MidnightFlyer]

With regard to Preston North End, I can do no more than to state the result at Boundary Park early in October 2012...

Oldham Athletic 3...Preston North End 1

With regard to Preston North End, I can do no more than state the result, Preston North End 26-0 Hyde, 15 October 1887

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

With regard to Preston North End, I can do no more than state the result, Preston North End 26-0 Hyde, 15 October 1887

Matt, you are to be commended upon your knowledge. Yes indeed, this match was a first round FA cup match and still keeps Hyde in the record books, albeit for the wrong reason..

To keep the same 1880's period in mind, there were indeed some rather amazing scorelines in cup matches. May I draw your attention to two matches in particular that occurred on 12th September 1885 in the first round of the Scottish Cup:-
Arbroath 36...Bon Accord 0
Dundee Harp 35...Aberdeen Rovers 0

Incidentally, I was disappointed to see Hyde not doing the double over Stockport County over the festive season, having beaten them 2-0 at Edgeley Park. Perhaps the rise from the bottom of the Conference Premiership to 9th position as a result of their recent good run of results (including the 7-0 win over Woking) was too much to expect that would continue..:roll:

 

[MidnightFlyer]

... And Brighton are 2-0 victors over Newcastle!

I've just watched the whole match on ITV (surrounded by a sea of Law books), and I have to say the only team that ever looked like winning today were the team in blue and white.

 

[valenta]

... And Brighton are 2-0 victors over Newcastle!

We were an absolute shambles.