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I have a few tins of potatoes in. I don't use them regularly, but they're handy in case I can't get out to shop for any reason. And also handy if not feeling well because you just open the tin and put them in a pan to warm up. No need to peel and chop.

My mum uses them because her arthritis means she struggles to peel potatoes.
 
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I buy a 2.5kg bag of potatoes from the supermarket for about a quid, lasts over a month. I can’t see how tinned potatoes can be any cheaper.
Potatroes are so cheap, not worh growing your own ,I grow tomatoes in a hanging basket, each basket cost £3.50, but the yield of premium flavour tomatoes is worth £10 to £15 per basket.
 

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Potatroes are so cheap, not worh growing your own ,I grow tomatoes in a hanging basket, each basket cost £3.50, but the yield of premium flavour tomatoes is worth £10 to £15 per basket.
I've grown my own potatoes a few times. I didn't do it to save money but for enjoyment. Sounds a bit sad I know!

And they taste nicer than the supermarket ones, especially if you're boiling them to eat on their own (with a bit of butter). Less of a difference if you're mashing them or making chips though.
 

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I've grown my own potatoes a few times. I didn't do it to save money but for enjoyment. Sounds a bit sad I know!

And they taste nicer than the supermarket ones, especially if you're boiling them to eat on their own (with a bit of butter). Less of a difference if you're mashing them or making chips though.
Not sad at all, they are superb compared with spuds from the shops. Our favourite is Desiree, we also grow Wilja and Charlotte (a salad variety.) Commercial spuds may have less slug damage, but they are pumped up with water (which my old gardening book says commercial chemical fertiliser makes them soak up) but a lot of them are bruised or damaged in other ways that you can't see and you don't know what sprouting-suppression hormones have been sprayed over them. Make mash on your plate: fresh cooked spud but just crushed with buttre, salt and pepper... my mouth is watering just from describing it!

Home-grown tomatoes are in the same category for the same reasons (but not serving as mash!) Someone claimed they weren't worth growing because shop tomatoes were always available. My reaction is that shop ones are so tasteless that they are hardly worth buying: just do without "fresh" ones until yours start yielding again!

I actually came here to post a link to an article I read today which is indirectly about food prices: (Of course I can't find it now) but it was saying that charity workers were shocked to find people in S Wales eating pet food because they couldn't afford real food, also trying to warm up tins on a radiator or over a candle... what have we come to?
 

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I’m going to say that it’s good that we’re back on topic regarding food prices and rather than me moaning about the thread drifting I’ve started a new one below. ;)
 

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I actually came here to post a link to an article I read today which is indirectly about food prices: (Of course I can't find it now) but it was saying that charity workers were shocked to find people in S Wales eating pet food because they couldn't afford real food, also trying to warm up tins on a radiator or over a candle... what have we come to?
I confirm the existence of that story. It's on the BBC: Cost of living: People in Cardiff 'eating pet food'
By Sarah Dickins & Steve Duffy

BBC Wales

People are having to eat pet food while others try to heat food on a radiator, a community worker with 20 years' experience has said.

Mark Seed now runs a community food project in Trowbridge, east Cardiff.

BBC Wales analysis of new Census data suggests six of Wales' most deprived communities are in the city.

A charity warns that struggling households do not just appear in areas long associated with poverty and policy needs to focus on people not places.

Trowbridge lies in what Mr Seed calls an "arc of poverty" from east to west of the Welsh capital, with issues endemic in his area.

"I'm still shocked by the fact that we have people who are eating pet food," he said.

"[There are] people who are trying to heat their food on a radiator or a candle.

"These are shocking kind of stories that are actually the truth."

"Cardiff is a flourishing city however there are pockets of deprivation which are simply not acceptable."

Mr Seed said people were not being paid enough to afford the essentials, with the cost of living crisis pushing prices way up "so that everybody is squeezed or they just can't afford it".

"What they are telling us is that they are working every hour they can," he added.

The Pantry offers good quality food at very low prices to more than 160 members.

One of them is Elizabeth Williams, 54, who says the project "makes a lot of difference" and brings people together but times were still hard.

"I usually go without to try to make things better in my house," she said.

She and her partner are not working, while her son lives with them and works long hours.

"Even with my son working - and he contributes as well - it's difficult because he has to live as well and he's got needs. He has got several things wrong [with him] and he's waiting for surgery."
[article continues with statistics about poverty]
 

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1 litre of long-life semi-skimmed milk in Aldi is up 10p to 85p and a 560g gross / 340g drained tin of potatoes up 4p to 37p if not this week recently.

Here is a list of the percentage price rises of the UK’s major supermarkets between November 2021 and November 2022:
Iceland: 9.4%
Tesco: 6.3%
Aldi: 6.3%
Sainsbury’s: 6.1%
Morrisons: 5.4%
Asda: 5.3%
Waitrose: 4.9%
Ocado: 4.8%
Co-op: 1.8

I've posted about Iceland several times so no surprise they are at the top.

Excluding Aldi and Lidl it is Tesco and Sainsbury who come out cheapest for a sample basket.

The source which refers to Trolley.co.uk
 
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1 litre of long-life semi-skimmed milk in Aldi is up 10p to 85p and a 560g gross / 340g drained tin of potatoes up 4p to 37p if not this week recently.

Here is a list of the percentage price rises of the UK’s major supermarkets between November 2021 and November 2022:
Iceland: 9.4%
Tesco: 6.3%
Aldi: 6.3%
Sainsbury’s: 6.1%
Morrisons: 5.4%
Asda: 5.3%
Waitrose: 4.9%
Ocado: 4.8%
Co-op: 1.8

I've posted about Iceland several times so no surprise they are at the top.

Excluding Aldi and Lidl it is Tesco and Sainsbury who come out cheapest for a sample basket.

The source which refers to Trolley.co.uk
There are, of course, many items where the prices have not increased at all this year (yet). Like the various rates of overall inflation (CPI, CPI less housing, RPI etc) people are affected differently, here few will buy that exact basket of groceries. If it is like the other survey someone posted, it is also based on the same items being sold in every supermarket.
 

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I was sorting through my recipe folder earlier and found this [attached image]. It's a recipe card from Sainsbury's and is part of their "Feed Your Family For a Fiver" recipe collection which they ran in 2008. The actual recipe card has the prices dated as being correct as of the 15th August 2008. Searches actually show that they brought back a recipe collection with a similar name back in October.

What interested me is how the prices which are printed on the recipe card have actually changed since this was published.

500g mince - 2008 price was £2.20 / now £1.79 (18.6% decrease)
Loose carrots - 2008 price was 86p/kg / now 47p/kg (45.3% decrease)
Red onions - 2008 price was £1.04/kg / now 72p/kg (30.8% decrease)
Tomato & basil soup - 2008 price was £1.09 / now product doesn't exist but own brand fresh soup is £1.75 (60.6% increase)
6 part baked bread rolls - 2008 price was 79p / now £1.15 (45.6% increase)
 

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I was sorting through my recipe folder earlier and found this [attached image]. It's a recipe card from Sainsbury's and is part of their "Feed Your Family For a Fiver" recipe collection which they ran in 2008. The actual recipe card has the prices dated as being correct as of the 15th August 2008. Searches actually show that they brought back a recipe collection with a similar name back in October.

What interested me is how the prices which are printed on the recipe card have actually changed since this was published.

500g mince - 2008 price was £2.20 / now £1.79 (18.6% decrease)
Loose carrots - 2008 price was 86p/kg / now 47p/kg (45.3% decrease)
Red onions - 2008 price was £1.04/kg / now 72p/kg (30.8% decrease)
Tomato & basil soup - 2008 price was £1.09 / now product doesn't exist but own brand fresh soup is £1.75 (60.6% increase)
6 part baked bread rolls - 2008 price was 79p / now £1.15 (45.6% increase)

change in RPI Aug 2008 - Oct 2022 is +64%
 

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change in RPI Aug 2008 - Oct 2022 is +64%
Not sure what that has to do with it, although interesting that in addition to most of the ingredients decreasing in price even the two products that have gone up have fallen by less than RPI.
 

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Milk seems to be the almost unavoidable staple that has gone up most in price.

Are the Farmers getting more or are the shop's creaming off :oops: the top !!
 

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Not sure what that has to do with it, although interesting that in addition to most of the ingredients decreasing in price even the two products that have gone up have fallen by less than RPI.

it also makes you realise how efficient our food production and supply chain has become.

I’m reliably informed that the UK has the most efficient food supply chain in the world (of developed economies). Indeed the most efficient supply chain full stop. Hence why, for example, Amazon replicated their UK supply chain model back in the US.
 

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Milk seems to be the almost unavoidable staple that has gone up most in price.
It's certainly gone up a lot in the past two years, although this time in 2010 a standard 2272ml bottle was £1.53 in the major supermarkets. This product is now £1.65. This size milk was only £1.00 for the best part of ten years.
 

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It's certainly gone up a lot in the past two years, although this time in 2010 a standard 2.27ml bottle was £1.53 in the major supermarkets. This product is now £1.65. This size milk was only £1.00 for the best part of ten years.
To be fair, that is part of the problem. For many years we have benefited from a low and static price as the supermarkets used milk as a key item in their pricing strategy, but we don't recognise that 'saving' when a big increase subsequently happens. If small and regular price increases had been applied over 10 years would anyone have really noticed?
 

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And who is trousering the increase ?

The Dairy Farmers or the Supermarkets ?
It is suggested that the increase isn't being passed through to the farmers anywhere close to the extra being paid by the customers. Certainly the egg producers claim that to be the case. There is of course the processers cut to consider as well as the supermarkets.

The farmers wouldn't necessarily be trousering the increase even if it was passed on to them, as much of it would go straight out again to feed suppliers, energy providers etc.
 

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The thing that gets me is that with this rise in prices, are they going to come back down again once inflation has decreased? Are we going to be in a position where food costs the same as it did in January for example? Yes, wages will rise to compensate but all that happens is we raise wages to match and the next time this comes around we are back to square one.
 

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The thing that gets me is that with this rise in prices, are they going to come back down again once inflation has decreased? Are we going to be in a position where food costs the same as it did in January for example? Yes, wages will rise to compensate but all that happens is we raise wages to match and the next time this comes around we are back to square one.
With all due respect, and this isn't, I assure you, directed at yourself, the chances of this are zero....the supermarkets have been offered the proverbial gift horse in the mouth with inflation /Ukraine / post Covid / Brexit all being conveniently used to justify subliminal profiteering...and they aren't going to be inclined to sudden acts of financial philanthropy when bonus's / dividends and profits can be significantly enhanced.
 

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With all due respect, and this isn't, I assure you, directed at yourself, the chances of this are zero....the supermarkets have been offered the proverbial gift horse in the mouth with inflation /Ukraine / post Covid / Brexit all being conveniently used to justify subliminal profiteering...and they aren't going to be inclined to sudden acts of financial philanthropy when bonus's / dividends and profits can be significantly enhanced.

If you read the whole of my comment, you can see that I know prices aren’t going to drop to where they were 11 months ago.
 

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And who is trousering the increase ?

The Dairy Farmers or the Supermarkets ?

All parts of the supply chain. Farmers will be getting more (to help cover their increased costs, especially feed, fuel, and wages), the dairies will be getting more (to help cover their increased costs, especially energy and wages), the hauliers will be getting more (to help cover their increased costs, especially fuel and wages), the supermarkets will be getting more (energy and wages), and so on. In this particular value chain, the only people earning bigger ‘profit’ will be energy companies.


The thing that gets me is that with this rise in prices, are they going to come back down again once inflation has decreased?

Prices would only come down across the board if inflation turned negative - which is a definite possibility. However for food prices that have risen the greatest, they will reduce if energy and wheat prices (the biggest factors) fall. This has happened in recent history, and I suspect will happen again.
 

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If you read the whole of my comment, you can see that I know prices aren’t going to drop to where they were 11 months ago.
I did read your post, and specifically stated my response was not directed at yourself...but was intended to qualify why prices won't be reduced .
 

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On the subject of milk. I purchased some milk from Morrisons last week. My local store has now replaced the plastic bottle with a tetra-pak type carton. Still priced at 95p, but the carton is only 500ml, as opposed to 568ml in the plastic bottle.
 

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On the subject of milk. I purchased some milk from Morrisons last week. My local store has now replaced the plastic bottle with a tetra-pak type carton. Still priced at 95p, but the carton is only 500ml, as opposed to 568ml in the plastic bottle.
That's effectively yet another example of 'shrinkflation'.
 

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On the subject of milk. I purchased some milk from Morrisons last week. My local store has now replaced the plastic bottle with a tetra-pak type carton. Still priced at 95p, but the carton is only 500ml, as opposed to 568ml in the plastic bottle.
The website lists both, both at 95p.

Morrisons British Semi Skimmed Milk 1 Pint

Morrisons Fresh Semi-Skimmed Milk 500ml

Same for 2 pints / 1L both at £1.30 and 4 pints / 2L both at £1.65

I think their customers have noticed:
Hard to hold
Bought thinking i was doing good thing. Turns out paying same price for less milk, cartons awkward to hold especially when full. Opened 1 today, greasy scum on top of all drinks. Thought cup was dirty, so washed and repoured, greasy top across drink, quite offputting. Never had that with other containers, will be contacting store.

Shocking Packaging
I'd rather take delivery of a carton I can recycle than something that literally leaks milk because it gets ruined in transit. I had milk all over my carpets and in my fridge. Avoid at all costs. Morrisons start quality checking your supply chain processes - you should be embarrassed here.

TETRA PAK won\x27t go in green bin in kirklees
less milk and not able to put in green bin. normal plastic bottle is welcome in geen bin WHY CHANGE ?

would buy every time if it was the same price
Exactly as the title says I would buy this if you got the same amount for the price as the plastic bottles

excellent
Really pleased with the packaging. Milk is good.

price per litre
I would buy this every time over a plastic bottle if it were the same price per litre

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Regarding money being passed onto farmers (or not), I copy @Gloster 's post from the shortage of eggs thread:
Not being an egg eater I have not followed this thread, but there is a bit about eggs in the The Agri Brigade section of the current Private Eye (1587). Eggs have gone up by roughly 45p per dozen, but only 5-10p reaches the farmers, leaving them losing money. The farmers’ costs have skyrocketed and many have left the industry, paused or reduced their flocks: 9 milllion fewer eggs were packed in the third quarter of this year compared to the previous quarter.
 
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The website lists both, both at 95p.

Same for 2 pints / 1L both at £1.30 and 4 pints / 2L both at £1.65

I think their customers have noticed:


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Regarding money being passed onto farmers (or not), I copy @Gloster 's post from the shortage of eggs thread:
The remark about Morrison's supply chain process is accurate. There boxed frozen foods always appear as if people have been playing football with them. It's virtually impossible to find a box that hasn't been crushed or damaged in some way. I've always thouht that they must leave the stuff stacked on pallets, outside a freezer, for so long that it starts to defrost and the packaging starts to collapse.
 

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Not sure when it happened, but Poundlands ham and cheese sandwiches have gone up from £1 to £1.25.

I know they are not the best but for a quick snack when you're out and don't fancy being ripped off, they will do.
 

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The remark about Morrison's supply chain process is accurate. There boxed frozen foods always appear as if people have been playing football with them. It's virtually impossible to find a box that hasn't been crushed or damaged in some way. I've always thouht that they must leave the stuff stacked on pallets, outside a freezer, for so long that it starts to defrost and the packaging starts to collapse.
I think everywhere does that. HOwever, most of the box damage happens when the boxes are wrapped in plastic rather than put in cardboard cartons, and when they are in rubbish customer-facing freezers.
 
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