Flying Scotsman

[badger1badger]

Seen a loco Leeds to London with a purple livery - is this going to be applied to complete sets ?

Paul

 

[ainsworth74]

No it's only being applied to one special set which is planned to run the early morning Flying Scotsman service. As far as I know so far EC haven't been very successful at getting it on the right diagram to make this happen regularly.

 

[87019Chris]

The actuall diagram the Flying Scotsman is given is it starts at Edinburough then it goes to London then to Leeds then back to London then back up to Edinburough I beleive.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Might be hard for that because it was split up on Saturday when I saw it in Grantham!

82205 was tag teaming with 91106 and 91101 was tagging with 82206

 

[GNER 373]

Surely EC haven't launched this livery without proper planning AND managing to keep it in a one piece set!

For the record I think it's stunning after seeing it a few weeks ago just after the launch leaving Newcastle.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Having seen them at Grantham, I do have to admit that they do look stunningly beautiful in their livery

But surely if they were going to be used every day, why wouldn't EC keep them together?

 

[GNER 373]

Exactly my point

 

[ainsworth74]

I'm not sure what's going on with EC's sets at the minute as there are quite a few silver DVTs running around with blue coaching stock. This is needless to say a bit odd as normally the DVT+Mk4s stay together and the locos get swapped around rather than the DVTs!

 

[IanPooleTrains]

But then again, why would East Coast put the livery on 91101 and 82205? Surely they should have put it on 91101 and 82201 and then put 102 and 202, 103 and 203 and so on and so forth

 

[ainsworth74]

Because it's a special promotional livery that they're only applying to one set. So what does it matter which 91 and DVT it's applied to as it's not going to be applied to any more? Besides the DVTs and 91s aren't paired together as the DVTs normally run around in the same set all the time with the 91 at the other end changing.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Because it's a special promotional livery that they're only applying to one set. So what does it matter which 91 and DVT it's applied to as it's not going to be applied to any more? Besides the DVTs and 91s aren't paired together as the DVTs normally run around in the same set all the time with the 91 at the other end changing.

Ah, no, what I meant was put that promotional livery on 91101 and 82201 but then pair together 911xx and the corresponding DVT.

Of course, don't put the Flying Scotsman livery on every set because that would be stupid but surely, for the sake of simplification, why not just stick 911xx with it's corresponding DVT?

 

[ainsworth74]

Oh I get what you mean now!

Well I think the intention was for them to be paired (otherwise it's just a wee bit pointless) but I guess something's gone wrong with the set formations in the meantime (hence the silver DVTs working with blue coaching stock). Ah well I guess EC will sort it out eventually.

 

[badger1badger]

The 91 was leaving Leeds all the other carriages were blue

Is there a compete set somewhere all split up ?

Paul

 

[dk1]

Never never have a 'one off' livery or train set. Operationally it's a pain in the backside.

 

[ainsworth74]

Is there a compete set somewhere all split up ?

Well sort of there is one DVT and one 91 vinyled into the special livery and they can work with any silver set but at the moment they seem to have been split up.

 

[sprinterguy]

Of course, don't put the Flying Scotsman livery on every set because that would be stupid but surely, for the sake of simplification, why not just stick 911xx with it's corresponding DVT?

Because as Ainsworth74 points out, the maintenance regimes are different for the 91s and the mark 4 sets so it would never be possible to keep the same 91 and DVT together for long. Plus in the case of the "Flying Scotsman" vinyling it would be a case of finding the appropriately numbered DVT and mark 4 set in the new livery to match the similarly numbered 91. It would have had to have been a loco other than 91101 as the mark 4 rake with 82201 at the end (BN19) is still in the National Express/GNER white stripe interim livery.

The mark 4 rake with 82205 at one end (BN10) had recently been painted prior to being vinyled up as the Flying Scotsman set, so was in good condition for a publicity run.

If there are currently DVTs running around in a different livery to the mark 4 rake they are partnering then there is indeed something funny going on, as has already been said while the 91s are changed between sets quite regularly the DVTs usually stay attached to the same set of mark 4s. I'm back on the East Coast side of things at the moment and I admit that I haven't spied such an arrangement yet.

 

[Barrett M95]

I was pulled to Leeds last week by the "Flying Scotsman" branded 91 and indeed it was pulling a rake of blue n' white Mk4's. The combination looked untidy, but operationally that is of minor consequence.

Someone earlier pointed out that it's a bad idea having a one-off livery applied, but only really in this case. If you have fixed formation sets it's fine. The hard part is matching that set to a particular diagram with any reliability. Maintenance regimes and disruptions to service will soon spoil the plan.

 

[dk1]

Someone earlier pointed out that it's a bad idea having a one-off livery applied, but only really in this case. If you have fixed formation sets it's fine. The hard part is matching that set to a particular diagram with any reliability. Maintenance regimes and disruptions to service will soon spoil the plan.

Exactly. Crown Point stupidly had a set done NXEA livery after they realised the awful mess that was 'one' but decided not to do any more, typical NX :roll:. As i have stated before, even INTERCITY had the crazy idea of putting an extra FO into the 'East Anglian' rake, do we never learn?? It was bad enough trying to get sets with RFM on restaurant booked trains & one absolute nightmare to diagram anyday let alone through disruption.