There are certainly door close buttons on 222s in the cabs and always have been, unless I'm much mistaken which I don't think I am. They've never been used but they're there.
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unless the door interlock light doubles as the door close button, I didn't think there was. Obviously entirely possible Lumo have chucked a pile of cash at Alstom to add the required wiring and hardware to allow the driver to close the doors. Will be interesting to see where they have positioned the DOO screens in the cab.
The 222 differs from the 220/221s as it has door close buttons for the train manager at the door panels.
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Bletchleyite
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The 220/221 have always been odd in this regard - ten-bell is the only method of operation they have ever used. I think that's unique.
The door interlock light is generally built into the door close button on Adtranz/Bombardier trains, Turbostars are the same.
tfw756rider
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The Voyager family trains were built by a part of Bombardier that already existed before they took over ADtranz and the *star family (though the 222s were built after that takeover). Not sure if that would necessarily make a difference, just thought I'd point it out.
Having checked - it definitely is labelled
Door Close/
Locked
So is a combined door close/interlock light, which does make sense considering the full suite of door controls is provided even though they're not routinely used.
That's exactly how it is on the class 170. The blue door interlock light is also the door close button and it looks identical to the one in the photo you posted. On the 170 you can operate the door open/close buttons in the cab if there is a driver's key in the desk and the controller is away from off or you can put a kaba key into the hole in the slot below the door power light and turn it. In the class 170 cab you can tell whether something is a button you can push or just a light by the colour of the surround, lights are silver and buttons are black. If that's also the case on the class 222 then the door close is definitely a button too judging from the photo you posted.
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Here is a link to the seating plan for the meridian units.
Doesn’t look like there will be a buffet counter. Which coaches have the new seats in? On the website does it let you pick your seat or do they get allocated to you?
Doesn’t look like there will be a buffet counter. Which coaches have the new seats in? On the website does it let you pick your seat or do they get allocated to you?
pokemonsuper9
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G definitely will, since it was first class before, I would suspect E too for the same reason (which also begs the question of where F is).
There will be no buffet, Lumo doesn't operate one. The forum's ticketing site allows you to select seats from an accurate seat map.
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Does for all trains?
pokemonsuper9
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Yes (well, all that offer reservations).
Where reservations are available, yes. Sometimes the map is formatted oddly in my browser but you can always reconcile with the "true" map provided by the train company and pick the seat you want. It hasn't failed me yet.
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I just checked the Lumo ones and they are very wrong! There is rows of 6
pokemonsuper9
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hmm, so it is - best to use the official seatmap to select the seat you want for its features, but the numbers on the map will still reffer to the same seat
For reference, here's what Coach C on an example booking looks like:
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This is unfortunately the data that Lumo provides to this industry, and they don’t particularly care about errors such as this, something which applies to several other TOCs as well. The people at TrainSplit are redrawing every problematic coach layout, but it’s a time consuming job, but we do chip away at the worst offenders
Scotrail314209
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Seems quite good that they've provided a fair chunk of unreserved seating, bit better than the handful available on the East.
The buffet is still present from what I saw on a test run the other day, but as with EMR/EMT it will be locked out of use most likely.
Bletchleyite
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I think they may have changed the order of them, as in a video I saw of one the new seats weren't in adjacent coaches. This is fairly easy to do on 22x because they're independent vehicles (aside from the power cross feed and the lack of compressors in the end vehicles).
My guess would be B being the other one as it's got a Lumo style high density layout which it didn't originally have. But I think it is only part of B, not all of it?
Coaches B and G are the ones with the new seats
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So just to confirm that B 100% has the new seats?
hexagon789
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B and G and on some units, also C.
By “some units” do you mean at least 222005?
hexagon789
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Not sure which have a reseated Coach C and which don't, sorry.
CR165022
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I'd assume 222601-604 will all have the same layout as eachother as they're all 7 -> 6 car units, whereas 222005 will have whatever carriage they choose from one of those put into it, making the layout differ from the other 4
Bletchleyite
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Having two layouts for C is going to nark some people off who specifically reserve a table/airline seat and get the other... the seating plan does confirm that there are two Coach C layouts though. A bit sloppy, that.
I guess the lesson is that if using a seat selector don't bother with C!
I guess the lesson is that if using a seat selector don't bother with C!
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I am pretty sure the only use for 180s is by Grand Central to free up the 2 voyagers they have for Cross Country
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