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Strathclyder

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The Marshall Darts seem to be on the M3 a lot of the time, and the 54 and 05 plated Solo's on the 94...
The M11 (Clydebank Bus Station - Gartnavel Hospital) is also a predominantly Marshall Dart operated route, with the odd Solo putting in an appearance on occasion. The Solos can usually be found in the Clydebank area mainly on the M60 (Clydebank ASDA - Drumchapel) with a few on the 81, supplementing the Darts.

A 51-plate Marshall Dart can very rarely appear on the 2 (Faifley - Baillieston). I saw it happen a few times near the beginning of this year.
 
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http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/glasgow/travel_news/news_initiatives/?item=22481&conf=0

First to introduce revolutionary �virtual electric buses to Glasgow

Wednesday 22 October 2014

- First Glasgow to invest £7.4m in 47 state-of-the-art green vehicles
- Four virtual electric buses to enter service in Scotland for first time
- Scottish Government Green Bus Fund provides support worth £1.3m

First Glasgow, Scotland's biggest bus company, confirmed today that it will invest around £7.4m in 47 state-of-the-art green vehicles, with additional funding worth £1.3m for the vehicles secured from the Scottish Government's Green Bus Fund.

The order includes a £2m investment in four 'virtual electric' vehicles that run emission-free 70% of the time, and 30% on hybrid power.

The virtual electric vehicles will operate emission-free in crowded, inner-city environments and use hybrid technology to recharge while in less densely populated areas, thereby reducing significantly kerbside emissions.

Falkirk-based manufacturer Alexander Dennis has won the contract to build the virtual electric vehicles, which will come fitted with free wifi and leather seats as standard, and are expected to be introduced into First Glasgow's fleet in 2015.

First Glasgow will also order a further 43 'green' vehicles worth almost £7m. These are in addition to the 40 StreetLite Micro Hybrid vehicles, one of the world's most fuel efficient buses, which started carrying customers across First's operations in Greater Glasgow and Lanarkshire during the Commonwealth Games.

First Glasgow's investment in these brand new buses will bring spending on new vehicles in just two years above the £37m mark to a total of 226 new buses - all fitted with free wifi, leather seats and extra room for buggies and wheelchairs.

Fiona Kerr, First Glasgow's managing director, commented: 'The order of these brand new 'green' buses supports our determination to improve services and attract more people onto our buses.

'We are hugely excited at the prospect of welcoming Scotland's first virtual electric buses into our fleet next year.

'This is very welcome news for customers travelling with First Glasgow. I'm very confident they'll enjoy the benefits of smoother, greener journeys.'

She continued: 'Our StreetLite Micro Hybrid vehicles have been well received by customers since their arrival ahead of the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games, and we look forward to introducing a further 43 fuel efficient buses into our fleet.'

Ms Kerr also recognised the contribution from the Scottish Government's Green Bus Fund. She added: 'The Scottish Green Bus Fund is a fantastic initiative and has helped First Glasgow and other operators invest in greener, more fuel efficient vehicles.'

Announcing the Green Bus Fund Awards today (22 October) Transport Minister Keith Brown said:
'This fund is helping our bus industry invest in the latest emission reducing technology and is another clear indication of our support and commitment to the bus industry in Scotland.

'The Scottish Government is committed to public transport and to our ambitious climate change target of reducing carbon emissions by 42 per cent by 2020.'

The Minister also announced support worth £196,000 to First Scotland East, First Glasgow's sister company. First Scotland East trading as First Bluebird will invest a total of £1,132,645 in five Enviro 400H Flywheel hybrid buses.

Glasgow's pioneering virtual electric buses will be charged at each end of the route using wireless inductive charging.

First Glasgow's virtual electric vehicles are part of the European Union ZeUS project which demonstrates low carbon bus solutions in 8 locations across Europe. Project partners include ADL, SPT, SSE and Strathclyde University.
 

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Very little seems to have been talked about half year report which come out on the same day First lost Scotrail:

http://www.firstgroupplc.com/~/medi...ons/pdfs/141008-H115 pre-close transcript.pdf


However, despite that disappointment, today's news does not alter our medium term financial targets or our plans for the UK Rail division. As you know we aim to participate in franchise competitions with the objective of achieving earnings on a par with the last round of franchising, and with an acceptable level of risk. We will continue to operate ScotRail until the handover on 1 April 2015.

UK Bus is on track to deliver positive revenue and volume growth in the half, with both just over 2% on a like-for-like basis. Within that commercial volumes are rowing faster than the overall figures in the 3% to 4% range. Concession volumes year-on-year were up a little in the first quarter and down slightly in the second quarter. We are also seeing a continuing trend towards increasing sales of weekly and monthly tickets. Although the yield is a little lower than day tickets in the short-term, they demonstrate increasing passenger loyalty, which is obviously good news for our longer term success in UK Bus.

We continue to see variability in the underlying economic strength of our individual markets, with parts of Scotland and other local communities having had a disappointing second quarter, while Bristol and Manchester, for example, were particularly strong. Overall we are in line with our expectations for 3 revenue growth and margin improvement in the first half. We expect to make more progress in both of these measures in the second half as inflationary fare increases are implemented on anniversary dates.
Also, there are expected to be less one-off restructuring costs impacting operating profits in the second half

Greyhound continues to grow, with like-for-like revenues up approximately 2.7% – which was at the lower end of our expectations. For those of you who follow the headlines in the US, we are seeing the same as the likes of Wal-Mart, Target, and the dollar stores, who have similar customer demographics to Greyhound: although the US economy is growing as a whole, this is not yet the case for the specific market sector relevant to us. As in previous periods, our point-to-point brands continued to perform well, with like-for-like growth of approximately 6%
 

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Get rid of Greyhound. As far as I can see it generates reasonable profits but a sale would create much needed funds.
 

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Get rid of Greyhound. As far as I can see it generates reasonable profits but a sale would create much needed funds.

That was what the City expected First Group to do when they first took over Laidlaw & the debt that came with it. Greyhound today makes slightly more profit than UK bus at present (£46.4 Million), selling it now would result in even lower profits for group, they already have the loss of profit from various rail franchises to contend with.

In hindsight, may be they should have sold Greyhound as 'non-core' instead of selling off parts of UK bus & going down the £615 Million rights-issue route. Had they retained the London Operations, they would have still had the a source of midlife cascades which have proved useful for upgrading marginal provincial fleets....
 

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I think they tried to sell Greyhound at the time, but had no serious offers.

I always though that NX Group would be seriously interested in it, that said at that time they were coming out of their own mess & are still reluctant to make any acquisitions of any size in favour of paying down debt.
 

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There seem to be only 2 residents* at the former Cumbernauld depot now:
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The bus closest to the camera is former 61017 (S116 CSG). Don't know the ID of the other vehicle.

*: Not sure if there are others hiding 'round the back of the depot.
 

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http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/bristol_bath/travel_news/news_initiatives/?item=23291&conf=0

One year on from fare changes: passenger numbers are up

Monday 17 November 2014

In the year since bus fares in Bristol were changed following a consultation with users, the number of fare paying passenger using public transport in the city has increased.

Overall First has recorded a 17.6% increase in fare paying passengers, a figure that equates to an average 68,112 extra people using buses each week.

Of this growth, 9% of the passenger increase can be directly linked to the fare reductions in November 2013, while 8.6% of the increase is due the company's investment in the city and the creation of new routes and services.

Passenger satisfaction with the value for money offered by bus travel has also improved over the same period.

While these measures point towards a step in the right direction for bus operator First West of England, the company still faces some challenges. With demand for its services rising, there has been an increase in the average time taken to board the number of people using First's buses. This, combined with worsening traffic congestion (compounded by the number of road works across the city) has created problems that need to be addressed.

To tackle these issues, and underpin investment in the city's transport network, buses and drivers, First West of England needs to alter one of its fares - the FirstDay Bristol Inner zone ticket. Specifically the ticket - which has been frozen at the same level for more than four and a half years - is being increased to £4.40 adults (£2.20 children, £3 students and young people with photo ID) from Sunday 30 November.

James Freeman, Managing Director, First West of England, explains: "We've achieved our original objective of getting more people to travel by bus in Bristol. We're now carrying an increasing number of people each month thanks to our fare structure introduced a year ago, including our reduced price period tickets. This is good news, but with costs increasing, we want to ensure we can continue to invest in the business moving forward. We always said that we would review the fare levels after a period of time as the challenge in any fare reduction is to set fares at a level which encourages more people to use the bus, while ensuring that you still carry enough people to make the buses commercially sustainable. You must cover any shortfall from the fare reduction, while still supporting future growth.

"We want to expand, and we have plans to bring in more buses, more drivers, more routes and make transport in Bristol better, but at present we're not able to grow as quickly as we want to be able to, and so we're making this change to allow us to invest appropriately."

"Congestion remains our biggest issue. It is a major problem in Bristol: it costs us real money and slows our networks down. In the past 10 years my predecessors have invested more than one million pounds just to keep the buses on Services 75 and 76 running to the same frequency as they did 10 years ago. That's because as traffic slows down, it takes more buses and more drivers to deliver the same level of service. We now find ourselves, in November 2014, looking again at Services 75 and 76 which are, again, becoming unreliable and knowing that we need to tackle this head on.

"I know that a fare increase of any sort is never going to be welcome news, but I'd stress that only one fare is being adjusted. Moreover, at £4.40 for adults and £2.20 children the FirstDay ticket still offers, in my opinion, excellent value for money, giving a day's worth of unlimited travel across the whole city."

Once the changes are made the options for travel in Bristol's Inner and Outer Zones will be:

Inner Zone

Single fares - Dependent on distance travelled, either £1, £1.50, £2.50, £3.50 (no change)

FirstDay £4.40 (40p increase)

FirstWeek £17 (no change)

FirstMonth £66 (no change)

First Year £650 (no change)

Outer Zone (for travel in both the inner and outer zones)

Single fares - Dependent on distance either £1.50, £2.50, £3.50, £4.50, £5.50 (no change)

First Day £6 (no change)

FirstWeek £22 (no change)

FirstMonth £80 (no change)

First 10 Journey (offers 10 single journeys for use within the inner and outer zones, valid for three months) £24 (no change)

First Year £840 (no change)

In the coming months First will be unveiling more solutions to speed up average boarding times on its buses. Such developments include:

** Work with the council to include information about the cost of travel at bus stops, in council owned displays, to allow people prepare for travel (ie getting the right money out) before the bus arrives,

** Further promotion of First's Smartphone app, which allows people to work out the cost of single fares, before they travel,

** Further expansion of the Touchcard (smartcard) to other user groups (ie children, young people and students) with the capability to top up cards online expected to be added in 2015,

** The launch of mobile ticketing solutions (currently only available for students in Bristol) " expected in early 2015.

For more information about First in the West of England, log onto: www.firstgroup.com/bristol
 

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Alas at the other end of the country. First Scotland East are starting to make more cuts. If you add everything up, its around 12-14 buses being withdrawn, now in anyones books that can't be good. Question has to be with Scotrail on its way out, will we see further cuts, overhauls etc between now and the end of April?

Musselburgh still has a cloud over its head, a planning application recently went in, to build housing over a piece of land which includes the current depot location.


http://www.centralfm.co.uk/posts/falkirk-bus-services-to-end-in-new-year

A number of bus services in the Falkirk area are to be withdrawn or have their timetables altered, according to operator First.

In a statement released earlier, the company explained several routes had been running at a loss for years and were “unsustainable”

First have reassured passengers they’ll still be able to complete their journeys.

The changes will come into force on Monday 12th January.

Affected routes are as follows:

37 – Withdrawal of the service between Callendar Park Flats, Falkirk and Greenhill. Service X37 will be unaffected.

5 / 19 – Bo’ness Service 19 will be cancelled, however Service 5 will be rerouted to serve more of Bo’ness, maintaining service 19 links, although some through passengers to Forth Valley Royal Hospital will now need to change at Falkirk. A circular route will be reintroduced in Bo’ness in response to local requests and buses will again serve Bo’mains Road turning circle.

6 / 7 – A revised route will operate between Stenhousemuir and Forth Valley Royal Hospital with alternate journeys operating as service 7A via Lamond View at its current ten minute frequency. New links to the hospital will be introduced from Lamond View and Larbert Main Street.

60 / X38 / 38 – Service X38 continues to operate every 20 minutes but is re-routed in Stirling via Viewforth rather than Burghmuir Road. Service 60 will operate hourly between Falkirk and Stirling Bus Station via Burghmuir Road and maintains links between Clackmannanshire and Forth Valley Royal Hospital.

24 27 (X86) – Service 24 will be curtailed to operate between Stirling and Kilsyth. Passengers will be able to continue through to Glasgow via Kirkintilloch by connections with services X86 and 89. Service 27 will be replaced by service X86, operating current 27 route to Kirkintilloch and then X86 route to Glasgow.

14 – Service withdrawn, however passengers can still make most journeys on services 6, 7, 7A and 59.

E20/F40 – Services withdrawn. These are services currently supported by Falkirk Council who are deciding what, if any, arrangements should be put in place to continue them.
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We can now add another 8 buses it seems to the cuts, with routes in Stirling, west Lothian and the Scottish borders all getting the chop aswell now. This brings us up to 22 buses? and 5% reduction in turnover at least. I don't think we're reached the end just yet. Could we reach 30!?
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-30097472

Three bus services to be withdrawn in West Lothian

Three bus services, which have been operating at a loss, are to be withdrawn in West Lothian.

First Scotland East said the 30, X2, and 651 services would stop running in 2015 while some other routes would operate on a reduced frequency.

Number 20 will be reduced to an hourly service between Whitburn and Edinburgh while the number 26 will not run between Deans and St Johns' Hospital.

The firm said it had not taken the decision "lightly".

However the West Lothian section of 651 will be covered by extensions to routes 21/22.

First Scotland East recently launched 18 new state-of-the-art vehicles following a £2.6m investment linking Livingston, Broxburn and other towns and villages in West Lothian with Edinburgh.

'Absolutely committed'

The company has also announced it is investing more than £1m in five state-of-the-art green vehicles, with additional funding worth £196,000 for the fleet secured from the Scottish government's green bus fund.

Paul McGowan, managing director of First Scotland East, said: "I appreciate that some of our passengers will be disappointed. However, the services that we're changing have been operating at a loss, in some cases a considerable loss, for many years.

"I can assure our customers that this is not a decision that we've taken lightly. We remain absolutely committed to longer term investment in services in the West Lothian area."

He added: "In order to continue as a viable commercial bus operator, protect jobs, invest in new vehicles, improve our business and support local communities, I'm afraid that we have little option but to take action on services that are unsustainable.

"With changes being made in January, we are trying to give our passengers as much notice as we can."
 
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When it comes to the local First company, nothing has changed, and no one can claim this isnt true. Were still waiting on fare review....

Four years down the line and its back to square one. Of course new buses have appeared, but to be fair new buses appear for the No86 in Dalkeith and No43, and we all know what happened to those routes.
 

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I am surprised First WoE hasn't suggested an Exact Fare only system within Bristol (but not outside) to speed up boarding, together as suggested with Fare information, especially if stage fare amounts and ticket prices are displayed at Bus Stops and on the side of buses

Not popular I know, but I guess that would be the next step if boarding speeds don't improve
 

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I'm surprised that they're only just getting started with a smart card.

I'm surprised that the Bristol Week Inner Zone ticket costs the same from the driver as it does on the smart card.

I'm surprised that you can buy a Bristol Week Inner Zone ticket online with free posting but, by now, not at all surprised that it offers no saving whatsoever over bothering the driver with a £20 note every Monday morning.

I'm surprised that they have mobile-phone tickets, but bewildered that they're only of use for students.

I'm really not surprised at all that they have trouble with boarding times.

First Bristol may be surprised to know that cash fares represent just 15% of transactions* for Brighton & Hove and they think that's far too high.

* or passengers or something
 

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Further 'oop north', the registration for the First Scotland East service X95 between Edinburgh and Carlisle has been cancelled, replaced by five separate registrations:

Edinburgh - Newtongrange
Newtongrange - Galashiels
Galashiels - Hawick
Hawick - Langholm
Langholm - Carlisle.

I would assume that the service will still run as Edinburgh to/from Carlisle but the screens will either now change at each 'split point' or show something along the lines of "Galashiels onwards to Carlisle" (or Edinburgh). Looks like the EU drivers hours rules have finally caught up with this service.
 

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I'm surprised that they're only just getting started with a smart card.

I'm surprised that the Bristol Week Inner Zone ticket costs the same from the driver as it does on the smart card.

I'm surprised that you can buy a Bristol Week Inner Zone ticket online with free posting but, by now, not at all surprised that it offers no saving whatsoever over bothering the driver with a £20 note every Monday morning.

I'm surprised that they have mobile-phone tickets, but bewildered that they're only of use for students.

I'm really not surprised at all that they have trouble with boarding times.

First Bristol may be surprised to know that cash fares represent just 15% of transactions* for Brighton & Hove and they think that's far too high.

* or passengers or something

Fully agree with you. First have been slow to embrace m-tickets and other pre-paid tickets (with a pricing structure to drive change). That would help the issues in passenger dwell time and B&H (and other Go Ahead firms) have been very good at making that shift.

I don't see a move back to exact fare - this isn't the 1960s and a move like that would be unpopular (I guess it's ok if you're Newport or West Mids and never lost fareboxes). Similarly, I don't really see much of a move to dual door either.
 

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First Group shares down 8% on the back of the above news,

That the shares are down is not a surprise on that news. It does seem one step forward, one back for First Group. My understanding was that they had been cautiously optimistic and not getting it will increase the pressure on the business.

My personal view is that they can't go cap in hand back to the shareholders (including me) and it becomes increasingly difficult to pay down debt and invest in the business with the loss of profits from other franchises going. So the options are a) business turnaround continues to fill the gap (better margins at UK Bus and the recovery plan at First Student delivers) or b) a sale of something like Greyhound becomes a real possibility.
 

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That the shares are down is not a surprise on that news. It does seem one step forward, one back for First Group. My understanding was that they had been cautiously optimistic and not getting it will increase the pressure on the business.

My personal view is that they can't go cap in hand back to the shareholders (including me) and it becomes increasingly difficult to pay down debt and invest in the business with the loss of profits from other franchises going. So the options are a) business turnaround continues to fill the gap (better margins at UK Bus and the recovery plan at First Student delivers) or b) a sale of something like Greyhound becomes a real possibility.

I'd agree with that, its took NX Group a good while to fill the void in profits/turnover left by the loss of Greater Anglia franchise.

The big problem for First Group is not only the reduced turnover/profits, but more importantly the reduction in cash flow. They can't tap their shareholders up for anymore, the last time it had to be heavily discounted, a sizable disposal may be the only realistic option. First Group are also under increasing pressure to re-start the dividend, to demonstrate confidence in the turnaround plan.
 
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