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EMU303

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Over the last couple of weeks I’ve noticed three breakdowns on the M80 of First buses (and I’m only on that road at the weekends), plus another one on Tuesday which I didn’t see but has been reported in the media (below). The breakdowns I noted were from the batch of buses sent up recently from down south, 66 plate E400s.

Even allowing for the usual “outrage” of people, it’s not a good look to see First buses being regularly towed along the M80… and you wonder if the buses were not getting the attention required prior to being dispatched north, or they’re not ideally suited to motorway work?


“Glasgow man hits out at bus service after woman forced to push pram along the M80​

The hospital worker told how one woman alerted the driver after she began 'choking' on the fumes.​

Gerard McLaughlin had been travelling on First Bus's X3 service to Cumbernauld on Tuesday, April 28, when passengers started noticing smoke. The hospital worker told how one woman alerted the driver after she began 'choking' on the fumes - between the Robroyston Asda and Stepps cutoff - leaving her coughing on her knees when the driver pulled over.

A First Bus spokesperson said, "We can confirm that one of our X3 services experienced a coolant leak on the M80 yesterday at around 3pm, which resulted in steam coming from the vehicle. "A replacement vehicle was immediately sent from Buchanan Bus Station to collect the passengers. We apologise for the disruption and inconvenience caused to our passengers on this service."
 
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Is it hard surprising - the constant breakdowns, the state of the fleet. FirstBus's maintenance is always so bad. They run the fleet into ground until its ready for scrap.
Look at Lothian Buses thats how you run a bus company. They have zero pride in their fleet.
 

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Is it hard surprising - the constant breakdowns, the state of the fleet. FirstBus's maintenance is always so bad. They run the fleet into ground until its ready for scrap.
Look at Lothian Buses thats how you run a bus company. They have zero pride in their fleet.
Over the last couple of weeks I’ve noticed three breakdowns on the M80 of First buses (and I’m only on that road at the weekends), plus another one on Tuesday which I didn’t see but has been reported in the media (below). The breakdowns I noted were from the batch of buses sent up recently from down south, 66 plate E400s.

Even allowing for the usual “outrage” of people, it’s not a good look to see First buses being regularly towed along the M80… and you wonder if the buses were not getting the attention required prior to being dispatched north, or they’re not ideally suited to motorway work?


“Glasgow man hits out at bus service after woman forced to push pram along the M80​

The hospital worker told how one woman alerted the driver after she began 'choking' on the fumes.​

Gerard McLaughlin had been travelling on First Bus's X3 service to Cumbernauld on Tuesday, April 28, when passengers started noticing smoke. The hospital worker told how one woman alerted the driver after she began 'choking' on the fumes - between the Robroyston Asda and Stepps cutoff - leaving her coughing on her knees when the driver pulled over.

A First Bus spokesperson said, "We can confirm that one of our X3 services experienced a coolant leak on the M80 yesterday at around 3pm, which resulted in steam coming from the vehicle. "A replacement vehicle was immediately sent from Buchanan Bus Station to collect the passengers. We apologise for the disruption and inconvenience caused to our passengers on this service."
The “choking on diesel fumes” line particularly got me, i was on a bus with a coolant like just 3 weeks ago absolutely pouring out steam even as an asthmatic i didn’t even cough once. someone being dramatic for the news i think
Look at Lothian Buses thats how you run a bus company. They have zero pride in their fleet.
Lothian are just as bad for breakdowns ive seen 3 in the last week
 

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Doubles, U11DDs as specified before in the thread
Sorry i missed part of this, how many doubles are due? I know some NewPower's are due ain't they? that's all the new buses for this year for Glasgow isn't it?

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Over the last couple of weeks I’ve noticed three breakdowns on the M80 of First buses (and I’m only on that road at the weekends), plus another one on Tuesday which I didn’t see but has been reported in the media (below). The breakdowns I noted were from the batch of buses sent up recently from down south, 66 plate E400s.

Even allowing for the usual “outrage” of people, it’s not a good look to see First buses being regularly towed along the M80… and you wonder if the buses were not getting the attention required prior to being dispatched north, or they’re not ideally suited to motorway work?


“Glasgow man hits out at bus service after woman forced to push pram along the M80​

The hospital worker told how one woman alerted the driver after she began 'choking' on the fumes.​

Gerard McLaughlin had been travelling on First Bus's X3 service to Cumbernauld on Tuesday, April 28, when passengers started noticing smoke. The hospital worker told how one woman alerted the driver after she began 'choking' on the fumes - between the Robroyston Asda and Stepps cutoff - leaving her coughing on her knees when the driver pulled over.

A First Bus spokesperson said, "We can confirm that one of our X3 services experienced a coolant leak on the M80 yesterday at around 3pm, which resulted in steam coming from the vehicle. "A replacement vehicle was immediately sent from Buchanan Bus Station to collect the passengers. We apologise for the disruption and inconvenience caused to our passengers on this service."
I mean wouldn't that be that the buses from Kernow really haven't had a heavy life? i.e they have been used on small Cornish roads so the buses might not yet be used to the runs the M80 requires?
 

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Sorry i missed part of this, how many doubles are due? I know some NewPower's are due ain't they? that's all the new buses for this year for Glasgow isn't it?
ScotZEB3 was 15 repowers and 22 Yutong deckers.

Caveat: I've not seen anywhere determining the split between Glasgow and Aberdeen.

Rock Road has funding for 69x ADL single, 14x ADL double and 10 Wright doubles.

Caveat: I've not seen anywhere detail who they are for. Given McGills have had an emotional outburst it seems unlikely for them. First have shown willingness to lease in the past, Stagecoach and Lothian have their own healthy sized allocations, so who else does it leave?

Edit: I've self audited and moved my wider second question to the ScotZEB thread
 
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Found details of planning application for installation of EV Chargers at Blantyre Planning – Application Summary
P/25/1456|Installation of overhead gantries and associated electric vehicle charging stations|First Blantyre Depot 5 Glasgow Road Blantyre G72 0LA
Application was made in December 2025 and planning granted in April 2026.

First made a previous application in 2023 which was approved, but they have moved to overhead gantry design generally for EV charging infrastructure, so a new application had to be made.

This doesn't necessarily mean that the Rock Road buses are all or partly for First, as the application was speculative before results of ScotZeb 3 were announced.
 

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The “choking on diesel fumes” line particularly got me, i was on a bus with a coolant like just 3 weeks ago absolutely pouring out steam even as an asthmatic i didn’t even cough once. someone being dramatic for the news i think

Lothian are just as bad for breakdowns ive seen 3 in the last week
Just standard people over exaggerating about things. I've heard stories from passengers about things that have happened and I was there to see it and you are left wondering if you live in an alternative reality!

The thing about pushing a pram along the M80 will be total lies as well as no driver will tell a passenger to do that so that's on her who's put herself and child in that danger
 

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Just standard people over exaggerating about things. I've heard stories from passengers about things that have happened and I was there to see it and you are left wondering if you live in an alternative reality!

The thing about pushing a pram along the M80 will be total lies as well as no driver will tell a passenger to do that so that's on her who's put herself and child in that danger
I don't know. Nobody is standing behind the crash barrier in the one photo that actually works in that "article" so I'm not immediately inclined to assume all the right things were said and done when there is already clear evidence to support otherwise.

I mean you would hope people wouldn't need told common sense, however have you met people?
 

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Not sure if it’s already been noted on this thread but GGPTE Gemini 37751 has seemingly been saved for preservation!
 

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Having done motorway transfers of passengers… you’d need to be travelling at a dangerously low speed to tuck the bus in that closely to the broken down one.

You are then contending with:

Folk who want to wait (on the hard shoulder) for the specific variant A/B/C etc - explaining to them everyone needs to get on this other bus and then transfer (safely) in the main town.

Helping people with mobility issues getting on/off the bus with absolutely no kerb.

Making sure there isn’t someone upstairs completely unaware with their AirPods in.

The whole process goes a hell of a quick, with the best will in the world.
 

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Not sure if it’s already been noted on this thread but GGPTE Gemini 37751 has seemingly been saved for preservation!
We’ll see how long it lasts considering the owners 4 previous attempts are all scrapped or unusable
 
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Spsf3232

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Having done motorway transfers of passengers… you’d need to be travelling at a dangerously low speed to tuck the bus in that closely to the broken down one.

You are then contending with:

Folk who want to wait (on the hard shoulder) for the specific variant A/B/C etc - explaining to them everyone needs to get on this other bus and then transfer (safely) in the main town.

Helping people with mobility issues getting on/off the bus with absolutely no kerb.

Making sure there isn’t someone upstairs completely unaware with their AirPods in.

The whole process goes a hell of a quick, with the best will in the world.
You keep the speed up and pull in front and reverse back. You don't slow down to dangerously low speeds on the live lane
 

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You keep the speed up and pull in front and reverse back. You don't slow down to dangerously low speeds on the live lane
Illegal to reverse without instruction from Police or Traffic Officer though, but I would have thought should have been in attendance for safety given the circumstances.
 

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Of my 2 motorway breakdowns this year (on the M8 and M80) travelling with CityLink we were herded the 5 metres along the hard shoulder to the replacement which had pulled in at the front. I wouldn’t have expected any police involvement in the 15 minutes the incident lasted.
 

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Illegal to reverse without instruction from Police or Traffic Officer though, but I would have thought should have been in attendance for safety given the circumstances.
I think you will find it safest to reverse back and no one will say anything
 

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Entered service yesterday afternoon and is on the X85 today (Sunday).

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Around 45.
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Scotstoun will have a lot of buses to replace over the next few years with the 61,62,63 plated buses
 

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Scotstoun will have a lot of buses to replace over the next few years with the 61,62,63 plated buses
They’ve got some Yutongs deckers on the way.

When it comes to replacing the E300s I’d like to see more deckers especially on the 2 but if it is to be singles I hope they stick with Yutongs. The current E200EVs could be cascaded to Lanarkshire.
 

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They’ve got some Yutongs deckers on the way.

When it comes to replacing the E300s I’d like to see more deckers especially on the 2 but if it is to be singles I hope they stick with Yutongs. The current E200EVs could be cascaded to Lanarkshire.
I am hoping the plan will be to replace the enviro 300s with deckers over the years
 

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I don't disagree, was just quoting the actual rules!
If your refering to motorways yes, the rules state you shouldn't reverse except in some circumstances and I would argue that this is one of those.

In general though buses can reverse anywhere without banksman or being directed as this is an old false tail
 

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Is this bus tracking yet on Bustimes?
 

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Is this bus tracking yet on Bustimes?

Did you look on Bustimes???
 
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Is this bus tracking yet on Bustimes?
Doesn't seem to be. Nor does anything seem to be tracking in it's stead.
It was pure luck I should see it yesterday. (Thanks for linking to my pic!)
 

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