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Which doesn’t come in fully until 2022. Also there are 75 new buses coming in 2019 so there will be city routes getting new buses aswell
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JumpinTrainz
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I would like to see the 60 upgraded as it’s seems to have a lot of older Eclipses which were new to the route years ago on it, but seem to have returned.
The 38 is another route which could be doing with upgrading as it seems to get anything flung on it.
The 1 could be doing with new buses as it is a very busy routes on the network and was the first route to receive the new enviros back in 2012 which was now nearly 7 years ago! The 2 is the exact same. It received new E200MMCs not too long ago but it would be nice to see the newer E200s or something more heavy duty like B8RLEs on the route to keep it fresh thus allowing the older 62-13 plates to cascade elsewhere.
The 38 is another route which could be doing with upgrading as it seems to get anything flung on it.
The 1 could be doing with new buses as it is a very busy routes on the network and was the first route to receive the new enviros back in 2012 which was now nearly 7 years ago! The 2 is the exact same. It received new E200MMCs not too long ago but it would be nice to see the newer E200s or something more heavy duty like B8RLEs on the route to keep it fresh thus allowing the older 62-13 plates to cascade elsewhere.
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A slew of unhappy campers in glasgow these days, the tweet replies say it all.
Check out @FirstinGlasgow’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/FirstinGlasgow/status/1080720490409414656?s=09
Check out @FirstinGlasgow’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/FirstinGlasgow/status/1080720490409414656?s=09
TheGrandWazoo
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Yeah - we know - you don't like First
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There does seem to be a lack of planning towards First running Saturday services across the country though... Overcrowding in Glasgow, Manchester and Bristol is leading to people waiting for multiple buses to pass before being able to squeeze onto a service, and the buses have 'too many passengers' according to a Bristol driver which is making them run late. People across twitter are complaining about buses not turning up and being late and overcrowded because of the Saturday service. Someof this is because people haven't thought to check, because pretty much every other operator in the UK is back to normal service this week...
First Aberdeen is back to normal today, probably because it was too much bother to add the services on part routes not covered on a Saturday to the timetable, plus cuts to the services running before 9 a.m. on a Saturday made in 2018 requiring more services today anyway.
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How much of the public in glasgow do you think share the same aversion?
goldisgood
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Around 4% of passengers according to the most recent TransportFocus survey.
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And if the survey was done on Glasgows estimated 1 million people population as opposed to the minor amount of passengers FiG carry in comparison, I think the results would be stark to be fair if done as a population, many left using the buses are those that have absolutely no choice, those who are getting a blue card for free travel or those who have decided that the extra cost in return for more convenient private car ownership.
Of course most people are back to work as normal now, there really should've been a normal service in glasgow today, these are the exact ineptitudes of FiG and by extension the group as a whole that are Ieaving, shall we say alot of people with a bad taste in there mouth.
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I fail to see how anyone except for regular bus users can comment on how a bus operator that they never use is to travel with. It's the opinions of regular users that show how bus operators are doing, not people who don't use the bus, it's the same as anything - if you don't know about it, how can you comment? The TransportFocus survey says that 4% of those who use the bus are dissatisfied. As I've said, people who don't use the buses don't even know how the buses are so how is their opinion on the matter valid?
Seen a E300 on the 60 this evening , one of the few caley ones (Well ex Parkhead ).
Id love to see deckers on the 2 , no reason why not . Extension to airdrie can be a different number eg 262!
Shift the E400s of the 4 , why they on this route?
My local service is 31 , saturday service vs weekday service means 3 buses early morning dont run , first saturday service into town is at 0745 for me .
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I'm actually starting to loathe them. I've had my fair share of run in's with down right rude drivers and when I've challenged them, they don't like it.
E400s would be able to operate the Airdrie 2...
Yeah but they are intended for the 6 .
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How are these surveys conducted? What number of passengers were surveys? and exactly how many of the other 96% are truthfully happy? I wouldn't believe what a loose surveys produced.
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If you can, don't take it personally.
You may have heard someone say in the past "you don't know what's it's like until you do it".
Most drivers put up with doing the job as the decent pay benefits them and there families, I quit my 10 years of Bus driving because most operators treat you like s**t and even when you don't it's an appalling job for a social person, its not always easy to approach a shift with a good attitude, I've now moved on to HGV work, comparing the two jobs is like night and day.
There is a theory shall we say that if you work for First or Stagecoach you are only a number not an employee and person, bottom line.
Drivers are treated s**t, ergo it just reflects on them behind the wheel, chances are they are different people outside of the hell hole.
It's amusing these days how people can't seem to do anything or work anything out without an "app". The replys on FiG's Twitter are hillarious, god knows how we managed to catch a bus in the 80s/90s/early 00s before "apps" and "smartphones" were even invented.....
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Would a low height E400 make it under the Kirkwood bridge? I would have thought it would still have been too low. There’s no need for deckers on that part of the route as passenger numbers tend to die out after Baillieston hence why they cut the evening services. Don’t think in all the years I’ve ever saw a decker on that part of the route. Even when roadworks down the Millbrae meant they skipped the Kirkshaws part of the route/low bridge. Back when it was the 260/262 it was always mainly PS’ or B7Ls with the B10BLEs and B7RLEs making the odd appearance.
I would personally scrap the Airdrie section of the 2 and have the 38E continue on to Airdrie at a less frequency. Most people get the train to Coatbridge/Airdrie. It’s mainly just the Bargeddie section if people continue on past Baillieston.
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That's not my experience. I have to say the majority of bus drivers are very good irrespective of the operator they're employed with. There's always some who aren't just like in any industry. The good guys outweigh the bad.
GaryMcEwan
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It's usually the Blantyre drivers I usually have run ins with. They seem to have the the constant gripe. For a driver to tell me that a fare to where I know is only £1.65 (At the time it was £1.60) was wanting to charge me the full single fare and when I corrected him on it, he asked if I was calling him 'liar'. A complaint did go in against him but it probably annoyed him more when I said yes.
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[/QUOTE] Would a low height E400 make it under the Kirkwood bridge? I would have thought it would still have been too low. There’s no need for deckers on that part of the route as passenger numbers tend to die out after Baillieston hence why they cut the evening services. Don’t think in all the years I’ve ever saw a decker on that part of the route. Even when roadworks down the Millbrae meant they skipped the Kirkshaws part of the route/low bridge. Back when it was the 260/262 it was always mainly PS’ or B7Ls with the B10BLEs and B7RLEs making the odd appearance.
I would personally scrap the Airdrie section of the 2 and have the 38E continue on to Airdrie at a less frequency. Most people get the train to Coatbridge/Airdrie. It’s mainly just the Bargeddie section if people continue on past Baillieston.[/QUOTE]
That would mean all 38Es running with singles. It would bring an end to the long established link from Airdrie and Coatbridge to Baillieston Main Street, Shettleston and Parkhead.
Back in the late 80s and 90s the Strathclyde 62 used to run with doubles through Coatbridge and Airdrie to Petersburn and changed to a Monklands local 63 but it didn't go under the Kirkwood railway bridge.
I would personally scrap the Airdrie section of the 2 and have the 38E continue on to Airdrie at a less frequency. Most people get the train to Coatbridge/Airdrie. It’s mainly just the Bargeddie section if people continue on past Baillieston.[/QUOTE]
That would mean all 38Es running with singles. It would bring an end to the long established link from Airdrie and Coatbridge to Baillieston Main Street, Shettleston and Parkhead.
Back in the late 80s and 90s the Strathclyde 62 used to run with doubles through Coatbridge and Airdrie to Petersburn and changed to a Monklands local 63 but it didn't go under the Kirkwood railway bridge.
KCB used to run low height Royales on the 260 during rail strikes. I think the Kirkwood bridge is 14 foot, pretty sure it’s taller than Busby anyway. In terms of why you’d do it, basically it would just be to even out the loads west of Baillieston but realistically, I think First decided a long time ago that the 2/62 route was going to be single decks & I can’t see that changing any time soon
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Would a low height E400 make it under the Kirkwood bridge? I would have thought it would still have been too low. There’s no need for deckers on that part of the route as passenger numbers tend to die out after Baillieston hence why they cut the evening services. Don’t think in all the years I’ve ever saw a decker on that part of the route. Even when roadworks down the Millbrae meant they skipped the Kirkshaws part of the route/low bridge. Back when it was the 260/262 it was always mainly PS’ or B7Ls with the B10BLEs and B7RLEs making the odd appearance.
I would personally scrap the Airdrie section of the 2 and have the 38E continue on to Airdrie at a less frequency. Most people get the train to Coatbridge/Airdrie. It’s mainly just the Bargeddie section if people continue on past Baillieston.[/QUOTE]
That would mean all 38Es running with singles. It would bring an end to the long established link from Airdrie and Coatbridge to Baillieston Main Street, Shettleston and Parkhead.
Back in the late 80s and 90s the Strathclyde 62 used to run with doubles through Coatbridge and Airdrie to Petersburn and changed to a Monklands local 63 but it didn't go under the Kirkwood railway bridge.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily all singles. A lot more E400s have appeared on the 38 in recent months and before people say they’re for the 6 I understand that but they have been straying off the 6 for years. The 38 tends to be busy past Haghill way and on to the City Centre and beyond but the Baillieston section could manage singles easily. While the 38A, 38B and 38C all carry deckers I’m pretty sure having one variation single operation won’t do much harm.
I would personally scrap the Airdrie section of the 2 and have the 38E continue on to Airdrie at a less frequency. Most people get the train to Coatbridge/Airdrie. It’s mainly just the Bargeddie section if people continue on past Baillieston.[/QUOTE]
That would mean all 38Es running with singles. It would bring an end to the long established link from Airdrie and Coatbridge to Baillieston Main Street, Shettleston and Parkhead.
Back in the late 80s and 90s the Strathclyde 62 used to run with doubles through Coatbridge and Airdrie to Petersburn and changed to a Monklands local 63 but it didn't go under the Kirkwood railway bridge.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily all singles. A lot more E400s have appeared on the 38 in recent months and before people say they’re for the 6 I understand that but they have been straying off the 6 for years. The 38 tends to be busy past Haghill way and on to the City Centre and beyond but the Baillieston section could manage singles easily. While the 38A, 38B and 38C all carry deckers I’m pretty sure having one variation single operation won’t do much harm.
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The sign states that the Bridge is 14"1'. The new E400s on the 18 & 75 are 13"8'. So in theory they could fit under, but it is rather tight.
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Lets be fair here, Route 2 is only still running because it had "Undertakings/Scotrail controls" place on it. The route is dire and is just mash up for 3 different routes which should have been given the chops years ago. It used to be every 20mins, its now every 30mins.
Back in the late 90s
213: Glasgow - Parkhead - Glasgow road - Bargeddie estate - Coatbridge - Airdrie - Petersburn
262: Glasgow - Parkhead - Glasgow road - Kirkwood - Coatbridge - Airdrie - Petersburn
Around 2002
213: Glasgow - Parkhead - Glasgow road - Bargeddie estate
262: every 12-15mins?
By 2006? it was back to every 20mins but with 261 to give Kirkwood a 10min service.
Remember 2010?? 262 went Caldercruix.
Back in the late 90s
213: Glasgow - Parkhead - Glasgow road - Bargeddie estate - Coatbridge - Airdrie - Petersburn
262: Glasgow - Parkhead - Glasgow road - Kirkwood - Coatbridge - Airdrie - Petersburn
Around 2002
213: Glasgow - Parkhead - Glasgow road - Bargeddie estate
262: every 12-15mins?
By 2006? it was back to every 20mins but with 261 to give Kirkwood a 10min service.
Remember 2010?? 262 went Caldercruix.
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I do believe that Faifley-Airdrie is an extremely long route (imagine what it must be like for drivers!) I think the 2 should operate as normal as the Baillieston - Faifley service is a busy one and get good numbers with most passengers disembarking at South Scott street which is literally 2 stops away from the terminus so that works. However passenger numbers dwindle towards Bargeddie and most buses run fairly empty beyond. Not to mention boundary charges begin the apply beyond the Swinton area of Baillieston so most people tend to get the train in this case.
I say extending the 38E beyond to Airdrie is a better idea as its allowing a connection from the City Centre via Bargeddie, Coatbridge and Airdrie. Considering the 38C goes out by Chryston way.
Another alternative would be to go back to the days of the 262. It could be considered a Lanarkshire route run from Blantyre from Buchanan Bus Station to Airdrie. Just like the 240 and 255. Thus effectively keeping its usual route via Parkhead, Shettleston, Baillieston but starting from Buchana BS as opposed to being a variant of the 2. Also running at a lesser frequency.
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Let's see if I get whats being said..
The 2 should be Faifley to Baillieston only? with the 38E extended for an Airdrie/Coatbridge to Glasgow service?
Essentially taking the Half-hourly extension on the 2 towards Airdrie and placing it onto the 38E instead?
Or are people meaning the 38E should run City Centre to Airdrie only, minus the giffnock side of course
The 2 should be Faifley to Baillieston only? with the 38E extended for an Airdrie/Coatbridge to Glasgow service?
Essentially taking the Half-hourly extension on the 2 towards Airdrie and placing it onto the 38E instead?
Or are people meaning the 38E should run City Centre to Airdrie only, minus the giffnock side of course