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Thanks for the GEN, :( so the 15th is the last day to get 57s on Cardiff-Taunton?

15th is Monday. So in theory, if what he says is true then the 12th will be the last day to get them.... They could go before though, and may well will.... ;)
 
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Oh dear oh dear, I thought the probems were as much with the stock as they were the locos, although its been known for some time that FGW have been less than impressed with the reliability of the 57/3s compared to their own /6s. I'm gonna snap up flights to Bristol this Friday so...

Will GBRf be hiring 67s or have they lost the contract?
 
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12th will be the last day to get them, i'd much rather 57's to 67's :(
Can enough drivers be trained within a week if that is the case?

Also, why so many 57s at Canton?

I heard from a friend that all of Virgin's 57's were being assigned canton as their depot, thats all i know/heard
 

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This would make sense, as Longsight is a long way from where the majority of 57s are required at the moment, i.e. the Cardiff area for the Taunton and Holyhead runs.

Perhaps Virgin were making an effort to increase reliability and become more responsive to problems by having more locos available nearby, but as fate would have it, its too late.
 

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This would make sense, as Longsight is a long way from where the majority of 57s are required at the moment, i.e. the Cardiff area for the Taunton and Holyhead runs.

Perhaps Virgin were making an effort to increase reliability and become more responsive to problems by having more locos available nearby, but as fate would have it, its too late.

my thoughts exactly
 
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beggars belief, this. i promised my son i was taking him for a spin on these 57's on the 1st day of half term (15th Feb) and now they won't be on the service. just 2 months they have kept these locos on the 2nd diagram.
 

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beggars belief, this. i promised my son i was taking him for a spin on these 57's on the 1st day of half term (15th Feb) and now they won't be on the service. just 2 months they have kept these locos on the 2nd diagram.

ino it is a very big shame :(
 
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what is the issue with 57's reliability then? there were failures with 57/6's for FGW in the not so distant past so why did they want more 57's on their service again? i had a gut instinct the 57's would be gone by the summer but they haven't made it to the spring! my son is just 7 and he loves watching the phone video i took of the Virgin thunderbird 57. will have to explain to him now why it has gone.
 

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The reality with the 57/3s is that this is the first ever intense diagram that they have worked and judging by FGWs actions they are not up to the task. I always found them suspect machines as much I love bashing them.

It was hard to measure reliability in the past because most of them spent their days doing nothing at stations on the WCML on thunderbird duties only. Reliability figures weren't great at times of diversions, though this wasn't necessarilly down to loco failure, just problems connecting to the 390.

The old Virgin Crewe-Holyhead diagrams involved two out and back workings, and generally the diagram meant that the loco was changed over every day, so a loco might work to Holyhead one day of the week then spend the next couple of days doing nothing, so hardly too taxing.

Reliability of the Holyhead-Cardiff service has been very patchy and indeed failed on Friday.

The Saturday Crewe-Holyhead diagram has also had issues with 57303 and 57307 having problems a while back.

Look at 67016 & 67017 on the Paignton diagrams, which have been consistant reliable performers since December. With the 57s we've already had 57303, 57309, 57315, 57316 and at least two of those (303 & 316) have failed.
 
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can anyone explain this then. on national rail enquiries the 14.00 Cardiff to Taunton service on 15/02/10 shows there to be a change at Bristol TM. the loco hauled service runs directly to Taunton though. it says it is a FGW service but you hop off at BTM and catch the cross country Manc. picadilly to Exeter St. Davids from here to Taunton. odder still it shows the 15.00 Cardiff - Taunton to have no changes. in fact i put in 8th feb and it still says the 14.00 has one change but the 15.00 has no change to Taunton. that is not correct is it?
 
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Don't mind this, I got caught out by this too when I was planning my bash.

Basically the 14:00 is direct but you'd still be quicker by changing at Temple Meads, as its an "overtaken" train. When the 14:00 goes in through the Weston-Super-Mare loop a Cross County train on the mainline bypasses it.

you have to go into advanced search and tick "include overtaken trains", a bit ridiculous in my view.
 
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yeah can see what it does now. even if you want to go on the 67 hauled 08.00 from Cardiff to Paignton it will pull you off the train at BTM to catch the FGW (Paddington - Penzance) to Newton Abbot, then another change to Paignton. the 67's arrive at Newton Abbot 11.04, but the HST that left BTM 15-20min after the 67's, gets to Newton Abbot 10.31!!! the Weston SM loop must take up a fair bit of journey time.
 

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yeah can see what it does now. even if you want to go on the 67 hauled 08.00 from Cardiff to Paignton it will pull you off the train at BTM to catch the FGW (Paddington - Penzance) to Newton Abbot, then another change to Paignton. the 67's arrive at Newton Abbot 11.04, but the HST that left BTM 15-20min after the 67's, gets to Newton Abbot 10.31!!! the Weston SM loop must take up a fair bit of journey time.

It doesnt help that it sits in weston super mare for 5 minutes followed by a 5-8 minute wait at taunton and a 12 minute wait at exeter st davids
 

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It doesnt help that it sits in weston super mare for 5 minutes followed by a 5-8 minute wait at taunton and a 12 minute wait at exeter st davids

Those dwell times are a tad ambitious, however agreed, it does dwell for a while.
 

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And there was me thinking that 67005/6 were taking over from 67016/17 on the Paignton diagram because they need maintenance at Toton. We will see on the 15th.
I thought/was hoping that was the case. I'm planning a trip down south for a few days tomorrow to catch (hopefully) the "royal" 67s and the end of the 57s. If anyone has any gen on what's working the 67 diagram, much appreciated before I decide whether to do the journey or not. Might just do it anyway to get the 57s in before next week!
 

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Jesus, I've booked the day off at short notice and have flights booked with Ryanair for Friday! Ah well, gearing up for some GM645 bashing anyway, I would love it if 311 makes an appearance.
 
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and i'll be taking my son up on 15th so we'll just have to see what will be running. would like to see the royal 67 too if it's still around.
 
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