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Helvellyn

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Basingstoke don't know Woking to Guildford or any others out of Guildford, a few know the Byfleet Curve & East Putney.

A majority know Byfleet Curve and East Putney. ;) Add in that they can work into Weybridge via Chertsey, and both routes to Staines, and the depot signs some useful divisionary routes.

If you move depots and keep old routes up, so much the better! Given the lack of full crew working on weekdays you can't guarantee your Driver signs the same divisionary routes as you, so if you know extra you've a better chance in disruption.

The fact that only three depots sign the Byfleet Curve though is a big issue. Woking/Guildford should sign that route a least!
 
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Woking know it, but as for Guildford!

Two hopes... Bob Hope & No Hope, in fact as Bob is now deceased, No Hope whatsoever!

I used to sign it & I once took 1P00 round there, but FR's depot manager declined my request for an RR, so I scrubbed it.

6 weeks later I got 1P00 again and just after I passed non-stop through Guildford, climbing Stoughton bank, Woking box came on the CSR and said that I was going via Chertsey due to a fatality, I turn round and said that's a bugger I crossed off a few weeks ago.

Siggy said that's OK just terminate in Platform 2, turn round & fox trot oscar empties back to depot... Another early day:lol:

Got back nearly 90' early, asked by a DSM what I was doing, I said going home, as you didn't allow me a RR via Chertsey. Ta Ta!
 

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Last i heard, the proposal is to slew the track over the land where the old marshalling yard used to be.
 

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Today was interesting, dead short at Petersfield so Pompeys diverted via Eastleigh.

May have been useful for route knowledge as it was mostly Waterloo crew involved.
 

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Today was interesting, dead short at Petersfield so Pompeys diverted via Eastleigh.

May have been useful for route knowledge as it was mostly Waterloo crew involved.


Couldn't have been fun, con rail dropped on the deck at Shawford today...
 

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Someone who is to do with the rail replacement bus service (at a high level) has said that they are going to have to demolish the bridge now. I wonder how long it'll take for a new one to be put up!?!?
 

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Today was interesting, dead short at Petersfield so Pompeys diverted via Eastleigh.

May have been useful for route knowledge as it was mostly Waterloo crew involved.

Wrong, Waterloo drivers don't sign Portsmouth anymore, they've not been down for at least 6 years & definitely not since PARS came in, the only crews that sign the direct are Bomo, Fratton (obviously), Guildford, Woking, The Wombles & Northam (some).

Oh No, Mr Oak, been down via Eastleigh, Botley & Netley in the last 6 months, will be going again in the next couple of weeks too. It's a useful "get out of jail" free card, just like Chertsey USED to be.

@CD, well the truth hurts, there's absolutely no hope of Guildford, Fratton or any other depot other than those who already sign it learning it, so SWT can go....
 
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Someone who is to do with the rail replacement bus service (at a high level) has said that they are going to have to demolish the bridge now. I wonder how long it'll take for a new one to be put up!?!?


No supprise...So this is going to be a interesting comparison...How long will it take Network Rail to rebuild a bridge over a culvert versus Iarnrod Eireanns 3 month viaduct rebuild at Malahide...

As for the reason why the bridge collapsed...apart from the weather...i wonder if the track crucifying Desiros hadnt helped it...

Couldn't have been fun, con rail dropped on the deck at Shawford today...

So SWT Driver...Looks like things are slowly happening already.....

@CD, well the truth hurts, there's absolutely no hope of Guildford, Fratton or any other depot other than those who already sign it learning it, so SWT can go....

Agreed...
 
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The Bridge will take anywhere from several weeks to months to replace. The short-term fix which has been put in place is to slew the line (place new track) on what used to be the old Marshalling yard. This could take a few days to do, and would likely result in block working taking place.....least it getting the service running between Twickers and Feltham again.
 

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As someone not from the area. Does this slewing for track etc mean that you will effectively have 2 terminating lines? and run shuttele either side?
 

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Without knowing what line was worst affected, I'd imagine that the down line will be slewed across & the up line will be slewed on to the down line formation.

I'm glad that I won't be working over it, especially as I've seen first hand what a temporary track alignment can be like! I saw Farlington Junction when it was "bodged" and you could have drawn straighter lines freehand, the speed? Walking pace!
 

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As someone not from the area. Does this slewing for track etc mean that you will effectively have 2 terminating lines? and run shuttele either side?

Just means they will lay an intermediate section of track alongside the bridge, which will connect with the track either side. It could either be a bi-directional line, or parallel running to keep up and down trains moving simultaneously.
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Parallel to the bridge....will this not require another bridge, or di the matrshalling yard run across the top of a tunnel?
 

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Just means they will lay an intermediate section of track alongside the bridge, which will connect with the track either side. It could either be a bi-directional line, or parallel running to keep up and down trains moving simultaneously.
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CRIKEY!

Certainly looks more towards maintenance than weather casued...by the looks of it, the weather just gave it the final push and well...end result

But me thinks this is definatly more a cause of track crucifying tanks...sorry desiros combined with good old fashioned victorian architecture / engineering more than anything...

Now...Malahide Reopend today...Shall we take bets anyone on how long this takes? 1 month? 2 months? malahides 3?
 
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Parallel to the bridge....will this not require another bridge, or di the matrshalling yard run across the top of a tunnel?

The river runs though a tunnel under the ground where the line will be slewed.
 

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CRIKEY!

Certainly looks more towards maintenance than weather casued...by the looks of it, the weather just gave it the final push and well...end result

But me thinks this is definatly more a cause of track crucifying tanks...sorry desiros combined with good old fashioned victorian architecture / engineering more than anything...
I would tend towards badly maintained drainage. Victorian engineering tends to be fairly robust if looked after properly. It looks to me as if there have been relatively recent repairs, and i wonder if whoever did them did not really understand the underlying drainage mechanism. As someone (Who, I wonder) recently said - "Water is patient, water always wins".
 

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The bridge was, as explained elsewhere, widened at some point to allow the river to run under the marshalling yard site. It would appear that it flows under the former west end reception sidings location. When there was a yard, it connected to the Down and Up Windsor just before the road bridge, with a shunting neck. Sometimes a diesel shunter would be parked on the dead-end neck up against the road bridge, as I think there was a staff canteen or club the opposite side of the tracks at ground level, which later became a signalling HQ.
 

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Does anyone know why they are using only single 450s on the Weybridge to Staines shuttle (at least every one I have seen so far has been only a single)? On each journey I have made the train has been packed. Indeed the 09:03 from Weybridge yesterday was almost overflowing because the 8:28 arrival from London had missed the 8:33. Even so, the automated announcement was urging passengers to move forward in the train for the short platform at Chertsey so it clearly thought it was an 8-car train.
 
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The bridge was, as explained elsewhere, widened at some point to allow the river to run under the marshalling yard site. It would appear that it flows under the former west end reception sidings location. When there was a yard, it connected to the Down and Up Windsor just before the road bridge, with a shunting neck. Sometimes a diesel shunter would be parked on the dead-end neck up against the road bridge, as I think there was a staff canteen or club the opposite side of the tracks at ground level, which later became a signalling HQ.

I live in Feltham and am sitting about half a mile from where it's all happening- or not- so hope I can fill in some of the gaps, a bit quicker at any rate than it looks like the track re-alignment will take. Original estimate was Friday; now Monday is being publicised, but I think even that's probably a bit optimistic, especially if there's further heavy rain.

The original bridge across the River Crane did adjoin the marshalling yards- ironically, of course, presently the object of BAA's attentions as a potential site for the Airtrack depot or even a possible future tie-up with SWT. It will be interesting to see how this incident affects those plans actually- at the very least, it's bound to delay them.

However, the marshalling yards closed in 69 but NR still own the freehold on the land- one of the reasons why it's a relatively straightforward matter to clear the adjoining land for slewed track over the Crane Culvert. Less straightforward perhaps is that there is also a pedestrian tunnel under the line, also poorly maintained but widely used by dog walkers and locals. NR, Hounslow Council and others have been arguing for years about who should pay for the lighting through it.

Another factor that may have played a part, though, is that the course of the river was diverted in the late nineties when Royal Mail took over part of the land ( I don't know whether they hold the freehold) of the marshalling yards for the Jubilee Mail Centre. A smaller, separate bridge was built at this point to carry the roadway through Godfrey Way to the mail centre, but I can't recall, momentarily, whether there is also a rail bridge there.

I suppose it could have been worse- at least the bridge and the river are west of Feltham junction, just.

The club referred to is still there- formerly the ASLEF club, it's now called the Feltham railway club, I think and is indeed at part of the Marshalling yards site. The 70s signalling cen,tre, which replaced Feltham West is located just to the east of Feltham station on the up line. By the way, it is the up-line, i.e. north, side of the bridge, where the worst damage occurred. It's also a small mercy that there is still bi-directional working through Feltham.

Hope this helps to clarify some points. My only claim to industry knowledge is that my grandfather was a South Western division EMU driver based at Strawberry Hill until his retirement in the late sixties, but maybe the local knowledge will be of interest to forum users.
 

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Does anyone know why they are using only single 450s on the Weybridge to Staines shuttle (at least every one I have seen so far has been only a single)? On each journey I have made the train has been packed. Indeed the 09:03 from Weybridge yesterday was almost overflowing because the 8:28 arrival from London had missed the 8:33. Even so, the automated announcement was urging passengers to move forward in the train for the short platform at Chertsey so it clearly thought it was an 8-car train.

Yep, was a single 450 today too - I get the 0803 each day... on Monday, Platform 1 wasn't in use, and the Staines shuttles were departing from Platform 3. There was an 0758 to Woking and 0758 to Staines timetabled to arrive at the same time on Platform 3 :lol: As it goes, the Staines service was late anyway! The delayed 0758 to Staines was abso-flippin-lutely rammed, and I just about managed to get on... the 0803 today was as busy as it usually is when starting from Weybridge as a London Waterloo service - but the incoming service from Staines to Weybridge was, again, jam packed!
 

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In Windsor earlier and friends who commute from Riverside to Waterloo are now having to travel via Central and Slough to Paddington. FGW are naturally accepting their tickets, but since the ticket checks are non-existence on trains from Central to Paddington via Slough, they weren't sure if this was the case.
 
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There will be changes to ticket acceptance on FGW and LUL services. The current arrangements are:

All day tickets and all season tickets will be honoured by FGW on all reasonable routes via Reading and Windsor Central until Friday. SWT is trying to extend this to Saturday to cover the rugby at Twickenham.

Monthly and longer season tickets will remain valid on FGW services from Reading until the line re-opens. Weekly season tickets will cease to be accepted on FGW from Reading next Tuesday should the line remain closed - this is due to a potential fraud element with people purchasing cheaper weekly tickets on SWT routes and then using them on the more expensive FGW services. All season tickets will remain valid on FGW services from Windsor Central via Slough until the line re-opens.
 

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The alternative arrangements for travel to the rugby international at Twickenham on Saturday are now on the SWT website. What a nightmare that's going to be, and I'm glad I'm not travelling on Saturday. It's a right pain using those services on a match day at the best of times but this weekend...

Well, the services from Waterloo to Twickenham seem fairly straightforward. OK, only eight trains an hour, but at least they can run to Twickers- either via the Hounslow loop or Wimbledon or even the normal Windsor/Reading line, unhindered. They do warn however that the trains will be very busy- but then they always would have been anyway.

The complication, naturally enough, arises at Feltham. Passengers from the west, i.e. Windsor and Reading area, are still being advised to use FGW services to Paddington, and then via LU to Waterloo. However, those arriving at Feltham, for whatever reason, can't even use a rail replacement direct to Twickenham, supposedly because of local road closures. Quite what local road closures they mean though, I don't know. Are SWT trying to tell me that what TfL London Buses (route 490 or 290 from "Apex Corner") will be able to do, i.e. serve Twickenham town centre, they cannot?

So what's SWT's suggestion instead? Rail passengers must use a rail replacement bus to Kempton Park instead, and then take the train from there to Twickenham, i.e. the Shepperton line! Admittedly, Kempton Park is only about a ten minute ride from Feltham if that, if Sunbury Cross roundabout isn't too snarled up, but what a faff!

Anybody with any sense will do what one often ends up having to do rather than follow the "official" advice in engineering works and bustitution situations, and take another route instead. I'd advise the normal service buses to Twickers if you're going- about a fifteen minute journey and no further interchange to train.

Website is also now officially mentioning the diversion of track for a limited temporary service.

It almost defies belief, doesn't it!
 

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Surely the 235 would be best, it runs from Feltham High Street to Sunbury in just a few minutes, and at least Sunbury is staffed whereas Kempton Park is unstaffed.
 

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Quite what local road closures they mean though, I don't know

There is a large CTZ (Controlled Traffic Zone) thrown round Twickenham on match days. London Buses operate truncated routes and/or terminate early. A few are diverted. All the local bus stop timetables are marked accordingly. Even the local Tesco superstore is closed on match days.

Local schools / churches / pubs / locals with big drives etc around the edge of the CTZ make a fortune from car parking.
 
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