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David Sinnett

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Looking at the FCC website they have photos of snow and ice around the doors and couplers (which join trains together) !! Do we really need to be shown this?
City Thameslink is still showing as closed. This morning they said ice and then slippy platforms. It's underground so ice? And if the platforms are made of the wrong material for the wet why not put some grit, salt or sand down?

Oh sorry, its easier to close it!
 
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Looking at the FCC website they have photos of snow and ice around the doors and couplers (which join trains together) !! Do we really need to be shown this?
City Thameslink is still showing as closed. This morning they said ice and then slippy platforms. It's underground so ice? And if the platforms are made of the wrong material for the wet why not put some grit, salt or sand down?

Oh sorry, its easier to close it!

The reason for showing picture is because they've been asked for it by passengers. Its one of the things they are trying to show rather than just say and help most people who don't understand why they cause problems.

As for City, have you even been there? I doubt it from that statement. There was a genuine safety issue and was shut in ensure no-one got hurt.
 

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LM did the same on their twitter account today. Pic of a 350's coupler.
 

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As for City, have you even been there? I doubt it from that statement. There was a genuine safety issue and was shut in ensure no-one got hurt.[/QUOTE]

Well, yeh. Not today obviously. Usually decamp at Farringdon, sometimes at Blackfriars. City if I have to. I don't understand your answer though. What is the safety issue?
 

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As for City, have you even been there? I doubt it from that statement. There was a genuine safety issue and was shut in ensure no-one got hurt.

Well, yeh. Not today obviously. Usually decamp at Farringdon, sometimes at Blackfriars. City if I have to. I don't understand your answer though. What is the safety issue?[/QUOTE]

City platforms are always colder than street level (generally cause the damm things a wind tunnel for the nice cold air off the Thames) hence why I made that statement.

There was a serious safety issue at City that made it dangerous for people to use so it shut. Any more details you'd have to ask FCC.
 
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Apparently, the new non-slip coating applied to the platforms at City Thameslink suddenly became slippery when snow & water from passengers' footwear was liberally spread over it. Who could have foreseen that passengers might enter the station with wet shoes?

Last year we were told by FCC that the doors on the 319 units iced up because:

a) it was cold
b) some numpty ran the units through the washer
c) it was the wrong type of snow
d) it was the wrong type of cold
e) all of the above

We were assured that they had now changed their maintenance procedures and invested in better de-icing chemicals so the problems wouldn't happen again. Oh dear, its happened again.

Their only solution seems to be to close stations and stop running trains, which for a train operator seems to me to be missing the point a bit.

Now I feel sorry for the lady who fell over at about 8.00 am this morning, but why does the inability of one passenger to select appropriate footwear for the inclement conditions make it OK for FCC to close City for the whole day, when Blackfriars is already closed for upgrading and Farringdon is woefully inadequate? Have they not heard of mops, or would that require additional technical training for the staff?

I've seen the pictures of the ice on the doors and the couplers. The simple solution is to run the service using only eight car sets (2x 319 or 2x 377), that way they don't have to worry about the end couplers freezing as the units can stay coupled all day. The iced doors is a bit more tricky, but surely not all the doors on an eight car unit can be frozen at the same time. If FCC employed more platform staff they could be engaged in ad-hoc de-icing at the appropriate moment, but I'm sure Mr Crow and his ilk would find a way of preventing that on the grounds of demarcation or elf 'n safety or something similar.
 

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Now I feel sorry for the lady who fell over at about 8.00 am this morning, but why does the inability of one passenger to select appropriate footwear for the inclement conditions make it OK for FCC to close City for the whole day, when Blackfriars is already closed for upgrading and Farringdon is woefully inadequate? Have they not heard of mops, or would that require additional technical training for the staff?
"Health and Safety" no doubt.. :lol:
 

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I've seen the pictures of the ice on the doors and the couplers. The simple solution is to run the service using only eight car sets (2x 319 or 2x 377), that way they don't have to worry about the end couplers freezing as the units can stay coupled all day.

That's fine until such time as you encounter a technical problem and need to uncouple a dead unit from a good one or go forward to assist a failed train.

I had this situation on Monday when the temperature dropped to -10 celsius and all the air systems on the front of the train were frozen solid. The coupler head itself was the least of my worries because I could chip the ice off that, but the air connections in the connector blocks, the actuator pistons and both drumswitches were iced up. In the end the fault on the failed unit (a frozen main compressor governer) righted itself because it was looking like we were only going to get a mechanical connection between the units and were going to have to draw the failed train out with all it's brakes isolated.

The problem is that some of the water vapour in air condenses out into a liquid when the air is compressed. Normally this is allowed to drain out the air system using drains in the bottom of the various reservoirs, but when it turns very cold these are often the first things to freeze. So then the water just pools wherever it is and freezes solid causing blockages, and that's when things start to fail.

The iced doors is a bit more tricky, but surely not all the doors on an eight car unit can be frozen at the same time.

Don't you believe it.

The problems there is that snow and ice quickly builds up in the door runners and inside the door recesses. It really doesn't take much for a door to become frozen shut or fully open. Again, this was the major cause of train failures for us on Monday with at least one unit having five doors out of eight frozen closed. De-icing them can help, but de-icer doesn't always get where it's needed.

O L Leigh
 

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Apparently, the new non-slip coating applied to the platforms at City Thameslink suddenly became slippery when snow & water from passengers' footwear was liberally spread over it. Who could have foreseen that passengers might enter the station with wet shoes?

Now I feel sorry for the lady who fell over at about 8.00 am this morning, but why does the inability of one passenger to select appropriate footwear for the inclement conditions make it OK for FCC to close City for the whole day, when Blackfriars is already closed for upgrading and Farringdon is woefully inadequate? Have they not heard of mops, or would that require additional technical training for the staff?.

Well done, guess what, mops were tried. They didn't work. You mention the lady who fell over, well mops were used way before she arrived. Didn't help her sadly.

In fact alot of things were tried to reduce the issue but nothing helped due to a combo of events, some outside FCC's control.

"Health and Safety" no doubt.. :lol:

Quite easy to sit here and dig at a situation but if you had been there then you would have seem why the decision to close the station was taken. It was not done lightly but it was taken.

For all the H&S digs, this was an occassion where it seriously wasn't safe for passengers to use the station. No-one was happy at the decision.
 
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