FCC Carnet tickets overnight on thameslink

[north]

If I use an FCC carnet ticket overnight, say the 0132 from St Pancras to St Albans, what date should I put on it? And and what time must the date change?

This is particularly a question of the off peak carnet's restriction TN - no travel from St Pancras northbound until after 0900 M-F.

So if I travel on a Thursday night / Friday morning, catch the 0132 and put Friday's date on the ticket am I traveling without a valid ticket?

Thanks

north

 

[Paul Kelly]

I believe you should put the previous day's date on. "Day singles" and similar are valid until 02:30 in the morning following the date on the ticket, and if you are still travelling at 02:30 you are permitted to finish your journey (but no further break of journey is permitted and all travel must be absolutely finished by 12pm). The "09:00 and all later trains" restriction applies to the date on the ticket, so you are OK on a ticket from the day before, but I would agree that a ticket dated the current day is not valid because the time hasn't reached 09:00 yet.

 

[EM2]

I'm almost certain that the last Northbound train of the day's Thameslink timetable is the 01:32. The 02:32 is classed as the first train of the day.

 

[b0b]

I'm missing something obvious here, why wouldn't you write today's date on the ticket? How is somebody supposed to know the rule about 02:30?

Would be fun for somebody to be PF'd for writing the wrong date on the ticket and it was the same date as the day the PF was issued.

 

[north]

I'm missing something obvious here, why wouldn't you write today's date on the ticket? How is somebody supposed to know the rule about 02:30?

Would be fun for somebody to be PF'd for writing the wrong date on the ticket and it was the same date as the day the PF was issued.

The issue is if you write the 'correct' (ie that day) you may be PF'd for traveling before the first valid train for a off peak day ticket.

 

[LexyBoy]

The issue is if you write the 'correct' (ie that day) you may be PF'd for traveling before the first valid train for a off peak day ticket.

You couldn't be Penalty Fared but would be liable to pay an excess. Although I'd think any guard or RPI at that time would be too busy with those with no tickets to worry about the service ostensibly being peak for carnet tickets.

As for how someone's supposed to know, that's what this forum is for

 

[b0b]

It would be ludicrous .. imagine....

so you wrote the current date on the ticket?
a: yes
and therefore the ticket was not valid because you traveled on an off peak ticket before 9.30am?
a: yes
but if you'd written yesterday's date on the ticket, the ticket would have been valid, as offpeak goes between 9.30am of the the date on the ticket until 2.30am ?
a: !!!!!


you can't make this stuff up

 

[island]

I don't think it matters which date you put on it from a peak/off-peak point of view; the FCC paper timetable has clear shading to indicate which trains off-peak tickets are and aren't valid on and the 0132 is marked as valid.