Fawley Tanks

[72C]

I understand the last Fawely -St Phillip's March - Long Rock fuel tank train has run. Please can anybody say why this service has ceased in favour of road tanks. On the occasions I have seen it it seemed a viable load. Thanks

 

[455driver]

Because the contract was up for renewal and the winning bidder is going to use lorries.

 

[50010 Monarch]

Apparently there is a big cost saving for FGW in switching to road deliveries rather than rail.

Sad to see another Dawlish sea wall freight flow bite the dust following on from the reported end of the Teigngrace log traffic.

 

[YorkshireBear]

apparently there is a big cost saving for fgw in switching to road deliveries rather than rail.

Sad to see another dawlish sea wall freight flow bite the dust following on from the reported end of the teigngrace log traffic.

fgw???

 

[30907]

FGW operate Long Rock and SPM so they pay for the fuel

 

[Xavi]

Another example of why current structure of whole rail system needs shredding and start again. If Network (or British) Rail operated the depots and paid for the fuel then a large part of the cost of delivery by rail (track access) is effectively free - running one fuel delivery train per week will have nil effect on maintenance or renewal costs. Yet under current structure DBS has to pay variable access charge to NR and this is passed onto FGW who can then get delivery cheaper by road. You couldn't write it.

 

[Goatboy]

Another example of why current structure of whole rail system needs shredding and start again. If Network (or British) Rail operated the depots and paid for the fuel then a large part of the cost of delivery by rail (track access) is effectively free - running one fuel delivery train per week will have nil effect on maintenance or renewal costs. Yet under current structure DBS has to pay variable access charge to NR and this is passed onto FGW who can then get delivery cheaper by road. You couldn't write it.

Quite.

What a sad state of affairs when it becomes cheaper to move fuel from a rail served fuel depot to a rail depot via another rail depot via road

 

[swt_passenger]

Do you know for a fact the diesel is still coming from a rail served depot? They can get diesel from a variety of sources, it doesn't have to come from Fawley at all...

 

[72C]

Thanks folks. Did the Teingrace traffic stop for the same reason - out of contract?

 

[455driver]

FGW operate Long Rock and SPM so they pay for the fuel

Yeah and?

FGW pay for a logistics company to supply diesel to their depots, how the logistics company decide to deliver that diesel is entirely up to them and is fu um bugger all to do with FGW!

 

[Goatboy]

Do you know for a fact the diesel is still coming from a rail served depot? They can get diesel from a variety of sources, it doesn't have to come from Fawley at all...

Which major fuel depots are not rail served?

 

[NSEFAN]

I have been following a thread about this issue on WNXX. Looking at the access charges, it seems that NR would charge about £30/mile for the train, meaning a round trip from St Phillip's Marsh to Long Rock would cost about £12000 just in track access fees.

Running trains is an expensive business, but I wonder how this compares to getting 28 road vehicles doing the same trip.

 

[swt_passenger]

Which major fuel depots are not rail served?

I've no idea, but I don't think it is a given that most fuel moves around the country by rail.

In any case we aren't talking about serving a major installation. A minor end user of diesel (of which this is one) can possibly never be economically served by rail. I assume no-one is concerned about all the other DMU depots and refuelling points around the country which use road distribution?

Rail is presumably well suited to transport between refineries and major distributors, but Long Rock probably uses less diesel in a week than your local forecourt...