Family and Friends railcard

[thehstman]

on the family and friends rail card can 1 adult travel without a child?
or does a child have to be with them on a journey?
thanks

 

[CarterUSM]

In short, no. Minimum persons travelling on family railcard is one adult and one child.

 

[jopsuk]

Must have a child with you. Think there's something odd whereby you can use the return portion without the child, but I'm not sure whether you need to have bought a single or return for the child for this to be valid. Regardless, if you're travelling entirely without kids, a F&F railcard is no use.

 

[Solent&Wessex]

The minimum 'Family & Friends' group consists of at least one adult named on the Railcard and at least one child. Adults cannot travel alone on discount price tickets purchased with this Railcard.

The maximum group size is four adults (including named cardholder/s) and four children.

A child is anyone aged between 5 and 15 years when the Railcard is issued. They travel at the child’s discounted fare throughout the duration of the Railcard’s validity even if they become 16 during that time.

Children under 5 travel free and each adult may take up to two ‘under 5s’ with them, in addition to the maximum group size.

If the only child in the ‘Family & Friends’ group is under 5, then that child must have a child’s discounted price ticket. This still offers the advantage of the minimum ‘Family & Friends’ group facility allowed.

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The group, whatever the size, must stay together throughout the journey as the Family & Friends Railcard validates all tickets. The only exception is for the purpose of allowing parents to take children to, or collect them from, for example, school or hospital, i.e. the adult(s) make one leg of a return journey without children. In which case the Railcard holder(s) with their Railcard and an undiscounted return ticket of the type normally only available with a Family & Friends Railcard and up to four children each holding a Child’s discounted price Single ticket for the journey being made by the Railcard holder(s) is allowed.

In summary, you must have a child with you. If you are travelling with a child for only part of the journey you must have a full fare undiscounted ticket, but you may have a discounted ticket for the child.

 

[tony_mac]

Is that a specific rule regarding only single, undiscounted, tickets, or is there something more general?

e.g. if I already have a rover ticket with a 16-25 railcard, can I then use a f&f railcard to buy a day ranger or return ticket for an accompanied child?

 

[glynn80]

Is that a specific rule regarding only single, undiscounted, tickets, or is there something more general?

e.g. if I already have a rover ticket with a 16-25 railcard, can I then use a f&f railcard to buy a day ranger or return ticket for an accompanied child?

The wording within the FRPP is as follows:

The group, whatever the size, must stay together throughout the journey as the Family & Friends Railcard validates all tickets. The only exception is for the purpose of allowing parents to take children to, or collect them from, for example, school or hospital, i.e. the adult(s) make one leg of a return journey without children. In which case the Railcard holder(s) with their Railcard and an undiscounted return ticket of the type normally only available with a Family & Friends Railcard and up to four children each holding a Child’s discounted price Single ticket for the journey being made by the Railcard holder(s) is allowed.

The above states that "an undiscounted return ticket of the type normally only available with a Family & Friends Railcard" is the ticket that must be held by the adult. So I suppose if you held a Rover that allowed Family Railcard discounts, you would be permitted to carry out the procedure described above.

 

[tony_mac]

The wording is pretty specific, I was wondering how tightly it would be adhered to.

For instance, the children are not allowed return tickets, and the adult is not allowed a single. In some cases there are no suitable return tickets, and in other cases a return may be cheaper than a single. What if children are to be accompanied by different adults on outward and return, both with f&f railcards?

Also, it says undiscounted ticket, and doesn't mention other railcards / discounts that the adult may have.

I actually don't understand the sentence....
"an undiscounted return ticket of the type normally only available with a Family & Friends Railcard"

What ticket types are 'only available with a Family & Friends Railcard'?
Can someone tell me what it's supposed to mean?

 

[glynn80]

Also, it says undiscounted ticket, and doesn't mention other railcards / discounts that the adult may have.

I actually don't understand the sentence....
"an undiscounted return ticket of the type normally only available with a Family & Friends Railcard"

What ticket types are 'only available with a Family & Friends Railcard'?
Can someone tell me what it's supposed to mean?

The only common sense explanation would be that you must purchase a ticket type that would normally be eligible for a discount with a Family & Friends Railcard.