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Flange Squeal

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Presumably by time these start for academic year in September, Falcon will have received their 13 10.9m enviro200ev from Alexander Dennis ordered late 2024 , so will be able to cascade their fleet to other routes.

The 13 EV buses are for routes 436 and 461
According to the North West Surrey Bus Users Group Facebook page (see quote below), the 436 and 461 (“and others”) electrics are expected around April.

There was a follow up order of eight more electrics for Falcon, followed by discussions with the council about two more, in a May article in Route One magazine. It’s been speculated online that this relates to five for the 715 (and the extra two discussed for the later introduced 714), with the remaining five unknown. The 479 requires five, so maybe that could be a contender (I believe they’d be too tall to negotiate the 456 or 514/515 due to low bridges).

At our Addlestone meeting yesterday 26 members and guests enjoyed a topical news update and an interesting discussion on all things buses in the area and nationally.
We look forward to seeing the introduction of electric buses by Falcon on routes 436, 461 and others around late April, by White Bus on routes 446, 555 and 73 some time in May and, just outside our area, by Stagecoach on routes 1 and 20 in late April.
Surrey County Council routes 28, 39/A/B/C, 40, 81, 400, 408 and 462/463 are in the process of being retendered with the results due out in the next couple of months
Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18XtAPpwFY/
 
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According to the North West Surrey Bus Users Group Facebook page (see quote below), the 436 and 461 (“and others”) electrics are expected around April.

There was a follow up order of eight more electrics for Falcon, followed by discussions with the council about two more, in a May article in Route One magazine. It’s been speculated online that this relates to five for the 715 (and the extra two discussed for the later introduced 714), with the remaining five unknown. The 479 requires five, so maybe that could be a contender (I believe they’d be too tall to negotiate the 456 or 514/515 due to low bridges).


Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18XtAPpwFY/
Have to speculate on where the recently announced 4 zero emission buses for Surrey are destined?
 

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Has anyone heard what type the TfL route 467 (2 bus route) which also starts in September will be
Should be Enviro400EVs. They borrowed one from Stagecoach the other week to do route testing
 

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Thank you for reopening the thread, @Bungle965. The Hants & Surrey Bus Blog has reported which routes are involved in this year’s Surrey County Council tenders, to commence later this year at the start of the new academic year. This includes a number of Falcon routes, including the overall three vehicles worth of work on the 12, 39/40/690 and 81 which were only awarded to Falcon from their previous operators last year.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/1HqLjSppue/
Further to the above, indications suggest the 12 will be going back to Stagecoach from the new academic year in September, and the 39/40/81/690 back to Safeguard. All were only taken over from those operators at last year’s tendering. Additionally, the 28 goes to Stagecoach, 400/663 to Bear Buses and 621 to Cardinal Buses. This comes from the Hants & Surrey Bus Blog Facebook page.

Thanks to a few kind sources for the information, the 2026 Surrey County Council tender results effective from the new academic year look to see a number of routes changing hands, including a few returning to their previous operator after just one year. An overview of the changes follows, with a list of each route below that. Once the results are formally announced by operators and the council then we’ll know for certain the complete accuracy of this information and any timetable changes, but in the meantime this is how things may look from September…

E5: Epsom to Langley Vale / Watersedge
[RETAINED] Falcon (2 bids)

E16: Epsom to Worcester Park
[RETAINED] Falcon (2 bids)

11: Camberley to Farnborough
[CHANGE] White Bus > Stagecoach (5 bids)

12: Camberley to Heatherside / Paddock Hill
[CHANGE] Falcon > Stagecoach (4 bids)

28: Woking to Guildford via Brookwood
[CHANGE] Falcon > Stagecoach (3 bids)

39A/39B/39C/40: Woking Shoppers
[CHANGE] Falcon > Safeguard (6 bids)

46: Guildford to Farnham
[RETAINED] Stagecoach (3 bids)

70/71/72: Guildford to Midhurst / Woolmer Hill / Godalming Estates (tendered elements)
[RETAINED] Stagecoach (2 bids)

81: Woking to Barnsbury Estate
[CHANGE] Falcon > Safeguard (4 bids)

300: Guildford to Merrow Park & Ride
[RETAINED] Stagecoach (3 bids)

400: Staines to Walton
[CHANGE] Falcon > Bear Buses (3 bids)

408: Epsom to Cobham
[RETAINED] Falcon (2 bids)

462: Guildford to Woking via Burpham
463: Guildford to Woking via Clandon
[RETAINED] White Bus (4 bids)

621: Howard of Effingham School to Oxshott
[CHANGE] Falcon > Cardinal (3 bids)

663: Esher High School to Walton
[CHANGE] Falcon > Bear Buses (3 bids)

690: Woking College to Worplesdon
[CHANGE] Falcon > Safeguard (4 bids)
Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AKrY9BJda/
 

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Further to the above, indications suggest the 12 will be going back to Stagecoach from the new academic year in September, and the 39/40/81/690 back to Safeguard. All were only taken over from those operators at last year’s tendering. Additionally, the 28 goes to Stagecoach, 400/663 to Bear Buses and 621 to Cardinal Buses. This comes from the Hants & Surrey Bus Blog Facebook page.


Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AKrY9BJda/
It's perhaps curious here that the Woking shoppers services, which would generally be the sort of service to receive a small number of bids owing to their infrequency, actually had the highest of all the services offered!

Having done rather well last time, Falcon don't seem to have fared so well this time. It could, of course, be the cyclical nature of these things (you can't win big every time), a case of who is going to come most unstuck with fuel prices if they haven't been taken into account, or perhaps a partly deliberate ploy to make space/ensure drivers for their TfL (467, off the top of my head?) win.
 

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Having done rather well last time, Falcon don't seem to have fared so well this time. It could, of course, be the cyclical nature of these things (you can't win big every time), a case of who is going to come most unstuck with fuel prices if they haven't been taken into account, or perhaps a partly deliberate ploy to make space/ensure drivers for their TfL (467, off the top of my head?) win.
They have also won the Kingston University servicrs from mid September.

I think they have 3 TfL spec AFL E400EVs for 467 and 5 normal spec E400EVs for the Kingston Univ services on order.
 

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It's perhaps curious here that the Woking shoppers services, which would generally be the sort of service to receive a small number of bids owing to their infrequency, actually had the highest of all the services offered!

Having done rather well last time, Falcon don't seem to have fared so well this time. It could, of course, be the cyclical nature of these things (you can't win big every time), a case of who is going to come most unstuck with fuel prices if they haven't been taken into account, or perhaps a partly deliberate ploy to make space/ensure drivers for their TfL (467, off the top of my head?) win.
In last year's tendering, the Woking Shopper 39/40 contract also received similar interest with 5 bidders, which was the highest number of bidders that any individual contract received. I guess part of its appeal might be that it offers weekday work 0930-1400 and comes complete with a driver's break built into the schedule between 1100-1200 (exact times vary depending on day), which allows an operator to then either insert it between existing school runs or between the school/college runs of the 690 contract which is generally what operators have done to date as part of package bids. Operating the 39/40 sandwiched between the three 690 runs gives an operator a five day a week duty from 0720-1630 (plus dead time to/from Worplesdon) which requires only one bus and driver due to the integrated midday break and opportunity for further breaks between the shopper and school runs both morning and afternoon. Reptons Coaches has expanded their local service work with this model, with routes like the similar Spelthorne Shopper 570-2/4 weekday daytime contract which they sandwich between the 637 school contract, and similarly the 513 (Downside to Kingston) weekday daytime contract between the 661 school contract.

With the 12, 39/40, 81 and 690 contracts only being awarded to Falcon last year, one can possibly assume they have been handed back not wanting to continue them on their current terms. Perhaps because space and driver resource has been deemed better focused on the TfL and Kingston University work they have since won and commence operating at around the same time these contracts end? Looking back at past tender results, I believe the other losses were last awarded in 2022 (400 and 621) and 2023 (663).

The 28 (Woking to Guildford) must be a bit of a pain route these days, as it typically has 58/59 minutes running time in each direction, so an hourly service can't be reliably provided with two vehicles so they run it with a third, which means in every three hours each vehicle is sat at Woking for nearly an hour of that after doing just a single round trip. Falcon originally took this on in 2019 after Buses Excetera ceased trading and the frequency was broadly every 90 minutes, so fine with two buses. It was later increased to hourly but with the double run to Pirbright Camp removed, which brought the end-to-end journey time down to 53 minutes so again doable with two buses with 7 minute layovers. However I seem to recall they interworked it with the Woking to Chobham 73 to give slightly more layover time between journeys, which probably worked out well as that route is around a 45 minute round trip. The end-to-end journey times on the 28 have been further increased to essentially an hour each way and the route did become interworked with the 456 for a time (Falcon lost the 73 to White Bus), until that route was increased to half-hourly. Ideally the 28 needs something suitable it can be interworked with at one end, with the 73 previously having been ideal, but this is perhaps something Stagecoach will be able to efficiently do with their more extensive Guildford network and this possibly helped them win that contract.
 

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According to the North West Surrey Bus Users Group Facebook page (see quote below), the 436 and 461 (“and others”) electrics are expected around April.
It's been 3 months since then but Falcon driver training on the E200EVs is now underway.

 

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We launched the first of our brand new fleet of next-generation Alexander Dennis Enviro200EV vehicles with a stakeholder event held at Brooklands Museum in Weybridge.

The purchase of these 13 fully electric zero-emission buses has been supported by the UK Government following a successful bid for funding by Surrey County Council in partnership with Falcon Buses.

They will soon be seen running on routes 436 between Weybridge and Woking, serving Brooklands Museum and Mercedes-Benz World, as well as on route 461 between Kingston, Walton on Thames, Weybridge, Addlestone and St Peter's Hospital.

The targets for entry into service are end of July on the 436, then later this summer on the cross-boundary 461.
 

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Falcon lose a few routes next weekend

Changes to our network from Saturday 29 August 2026​

Due to the results of a recent retendering for Surrey County Council supported local bus routes there will be some changes to our network from Saturday 29 August.

The following Falcon Buses routes will be changing operator from the above date and the last day of operation by Falcon Buses will be on Friday 28 August.

For any travel enquiries on these routes after this date please contact the operator shown below - there will be no changes to any of our other routes or timetables at this time.

ROUTENEW OPERATOR
12Stagecoach
28Stagecoach
39A/B/CSafeguard
40Safeguard
81Safeguard
400Bear Buses
621Cardinal
663Bear Buses
690Safeguard


Also following has appeared on Kingston University website
Please note, the roll-out of the new fleet will take place in two stages. In September, a fleet of fully electric red buses will provide the service for an interim period until the new permanent fleet takes over in October.
Some 2012 Stagecoach E400s (which aren't electric) have been spotted in Falcon overflow yard. Presumably the electric double decks won't be available in time

 

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Falcon lose a few routes next weekend
The 12, 39/40, 81 and 690 were only won last year, with the contracts being put back out to tender earlier this year (White Bus 11 was in the same boat). One can’t help but wonder if Falcon’s subsequent win of TfL and Kingston Uni work made them decide to focus driver resource on those, so maybe get shot of these council contracts so soon after winning them?
 

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