extending Off-Peak return ticket

[ywy1234]

I have an off peak return ticket with "Valid until" on 10th Jan, is it possible to extend it for one or two days?
Thanks!

 

[ainsworth74]

I do not believe so, if you want to travel later you will need to buy new ticket.

 

[AlterEgo]

No, you can't extend it I'm afraid.

You will need to buy a new ticket.

 

[ywy1234]

Thanks all!
Another question.
The ticket is OXF-EDB "NOT VIA LONDON" off peak return.
Is it possible to change the RTN part to Super off-peak "ANY PERMITTED" by paying some excess, and make a reservation on the Caledonian Sleeper service on 10th?
I am afraid that I have to leave OXF very late if I go on 10th.
Thanks!

 

[animationmilo]

Thanks all!
Another question.
The ticket is OXF-EDB "NOT VIA LONDON" off peak return.
Is it possible to change the RTN part to Super off-peak "ANY PERMITTED" by paying some excess, and make a reservation on the Caledonian Sleeper service on 10th?
I am afraid that I have to leave OXF very late if I go on 10th.
Thanks!

Is 17:07 too early to leave?

 

[ywy1234]

Is 17:07 too early to leave?

Yes
Actually, I will land at LHR on 16:30... And I am thinking of using the OXF-EDB ticket to get to EDB...

 

[Paul Kelly]

Edit: I think my reasoning below is probably wrong. It looks like overnight break of journey is not allowed on the last day of validity after all and what I said only applies to the outward portion of the ticket.

My understanding of the validity is that as long as you have started your journey before the end of the last day of validity, you are free to break your journey overnight and resume any time the next day (it used to be before 12pm the next day, but that was changed recently).

So you could start your journey tomorrow evening by travelling from Oxford to Tackley on the 2141 service, break your Edinburgh journey there, come back from Tackley to Oxford on the 2155 service on *a separate ticket* (off-peak day single is £2.20 with a young person's railcard), and spend the night in Oxford.

The next day then you would need to buy another £2.20 single to Tackley, then once you get to Tackley, resume your journey that you'd broken the night before, switching validity back to the Oxford to Edinburgh ticket and continue to Edinburgh.

Whether you really need to make the evening journey to Tackley and back is debateable (although it takes less than half an hour) - but the important thing is that you have a separate ticket to cover the first part of the journey on the 11th (up to the point where you "broke" the night before), as the ticket is only valid into the next day if you have broken your journey overnight.

You could also break your journey at Banbury; it might be more convenient.

 

[island]

Thanks all!
Another question.
The ticket is OXF-EDB "NOT VIA LONDON" off peak return.
Is it possible to change the RTN part to Super off-peak "ANY PERMITTED" by paying some excess, and make a reservation on the Caledonian Sleeper service on 10th?
I am afraid that I have to leave OXF very late if I go on 10th.
Thanks!

Yes, your ticket can be excessed to route †ANY PERMITTED, costing half the difference between what you paid and the cost of the †ANY PERMITTED ticket, the latter being £142. This would render it valid for a seat on the Caledonian Sleeper; you would need to pay a berth supplement if you want a bed of course.

So you could start your journey tomorrow evening by travelling from Oxford to Tackley on the 2141 service, break your Edinburgh journey there, come back from Tackley to Oxford on the 2155 service on *a separate ticket* (off-peak day single is £2.20 with a young person's railcard), and spend the night in Oxford.

The next day then you would need to buy another £2.20 single to Tackley, then once you get to Tackley, resume your journey that you'd broken the night before, switching validity back to the Oxford to Edinburgh ticket and continue to Edinburgh.

Whether you really need to make the evening journey to Tackley and back is debateable (although it takes less than half an hour) - but the important thing is that you have a separate ticket to cover the first part of the journey on the 11th (up to the point where you "broke" the night before), as the ticket is only valid into the next day if you have broken your journey overnight.

That's probably (just about) legal, but I wouldn't fancy trying to explain it to the several guards encountered on the way. And if ywy1234 actually wants to use the ticket starting short at London, it's moot.

 

[LexyBoy]

As island says, you can excess to the Any Permitted Super Off Peak Return, which would cost you £7.10 (assuming no Railcards).

Last train from King's Cross leaves at 1900, which I would think you'd be able to make with a bit of luck (I've not flown for years so I don't know how long it takes to get through customs etc). Otherwise you could indeed reserve a seat on the Sleeper (2350 from Euston).

edit:the following may be incorrect - see below; the extension into the next day applies only to the outward portion. If you wished not to go via London, I'd recommend getting the X70 to Oxford, then travelling as far as Birmingham using your OXF-EDB ticket, where you should be able to find a cheap, central hotel, and then continuing your journey from there the following day (travel must resume before 1200).

 

[OwlMan]

Are you sure that you can use an off-peak return after 0430 on the day after expiry?
According to the Manual the extension to travel into the next day only applies on the outward journey.

#4 - Break of Journey

Break of journey is allowed on the outward portion of Off-Peak tickets unless otherwise indicated by a restriction shown against the ticket’s validity code, and in all cases on the return portion of Off-Peak return tickets.
Off-Peak Singles and the outward portion of Off-Peak Returns are valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket and until 04:29 the following morning. If the journey cannot be completed in this time, the ticket may be used to continue the journey on the following day. Unless otherwise indicated in the relevant restriction code, the same time restrictions from the origin station apply on BOTH days. All travel must be completed by 04:29 in the morning after this second day. Please note that break of journey is not permitted on some journeys, as detailed in the ticket restrictions.
Return portions of Off-Peak Return tickets are valid for travel until 04:29 on the day following the last day of validity (i.e. one calendar month from outward journey). All travel must be completed by this time.

and NRE says

Ticket type Off-Peak Return
Description Off-Peak fares are cheaper tickets for travelling on trains that are less busy. You may be required to travel at specific times of day, days of the week or on a specific route.
Train Operator All Train Operating Companies
Train Operators and Connections Tickets may only be used on the geographic route (or the services of the Train Company where applicable) shown next to 'Route' on the ticket. If the route is prefixed with a + the ticket includes the cost of travelling across London on London Underground, Docklands Light Railway or First Capital Connect (Thameslink Route) services as appropriate to the journey.
Booking Deadlines Tickets can be bought in advance or immediately before travel. You can reserve a seat on many longer distance services. Reservations are recommended on busy services. If you wish to change your time of travel you can pay the difference between the cost of the ticket held and the cost of the ticket that is most appropriate for the journey you need to make. In many cases, if you are still travelling at a time when your ticket is not restricted, no additional fare is payable. If you wish to change the date of outward travel, or the origin or destination of your ticket, it may be necessary to buy a new ticket and apply for a refund on your existing ticket (see below).
Discounts Children (aged 5 to 15 inclusive): 50% discount. Up to two children aged under 5 can travel free with each fare paying passenger. Railcard discounts: Two Together, 16-25 Railcard: 34% discount, Disabled Persons Railcard: 34% discount, Family & Friends Railcard: 34% discount, HM Forces Railcard: 34% discount, Network Railcard : 34% discount and Senior Railcard: 34% discount on Standard. Other discount cards Gold Cards : 34% discount and Jobcentre Plus Travel Discount Card: 50% discount. NOTE: Minimum fares / time restrictions may apply to tickets bought with a Railcard or other discount card. See terms and conditions of the appropriate Railcard or discount card for details.
Refunds Your ticket is refundable. If you decide not to use your ticket to make all or part of your intended journey then you can get a refund by returning your unused ticket to the ticket office or place of purchase (for tickets bought via websites, telesales or travel agents) within 28 days of the ticket expiry date. You may be required to pay an administration fee. The refund amount will normally take into account any use you have made of the ticket and in some circumstances no refund will be paid.
Break of Journey A break of journey is allowed on the outward portion unless otherwise indicated by a restriction shown against the ticket's validity code and is allowed on the return portion of your ticket.
Availability Validity Conditions of Use. You must travel in the class of accommodation shown on your ticket. Where accomodation is provided, you may upgrade to First Class. Railcard holders travelling on a discounted ticket must carry their Railcard when they travel. If a Railcard holder fails to produce their valid Railcard with their ticket, they will be required to pay a full priced ticket for their journey as if no Railcard and/or no ticket were held. The outward part of the ticket is only valid for travel when accompanied by the unused return part of the same ticket. When and where the ticket can be used. Off-Peak tickets may require you to travel at specific times of day, days of the week or on a specific route. Website journey planners can tell you when your ticket can be used - simply enter your outward and return journey times to see the trains you can travel on. The outward portion of this ticket is valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket until 0429 in the early morning on the following day. The return portion is valid for travel until 0429 in the early morning following the last day of validity (i.e. one calendar month from outward journey). All travel must be completed by this time. Travelling via London. If the route shown on the ticket has a + the ticket includes the cost of travelling between certain London Stations (e.g. between Liverpool St and Paddington) by either London Underground, Docklands Light Railway (DLR) or First Capital Connect (Thameslink Route) services appropriate to the route of the journey being made. Tickets will only be accepted by London Underground and DLR on the up to the last day of validity on the return portion of tickets and until 0429 the following day. Other than to change trains, a break of journey at intermediate London Underground or DLR stations is NOT permitted. Travel restrictions do not apply on public holidays. All tickets and travel are subject to the National Rail Conditions of Carriage.
Restrictions The ticket that you have selected may require you to travel at specific times of the day, days of the week or on a specific route. Our Journey Planner will have already taken this into account with the selection that you have made and will only have shown tickets that are valid for the selected trains.
Your ticket is associated with a 'Validity Code' applied by the train companies. If you would like to see full details of the trains on which your ticket is valid view the specific 'Validity Code' applicable to the journey plan that you have selected.
Occasionally, one 'Validity Code' may cross-reference to another and therefore you might need to view the complete list of 'Validity Codes' applicable to the ticket type that you have selected.

Niether mention any extension for travelling the day after expiry

 

[Liam]

Excess it to Inverkeithing or Stirling, take the 2108 XC to Birmingham, then the 2236 LM to Crewe, leaving you 10 mins at Crewe to get on the Highland sleeper there. Either bail at Edinburgh (not strictly within the rules) or get a single back to Edinburgh. Theres a 30 minute wait at Stirling for the train back.

 

[Paul Kelly]

Niether mention any extension for travelling the day after expiry

Oh yes; I think you may be right. It looks like the return journey must be completed by 04:30 on the day following the last day of validity, with no further travel allowed after that time. I may have to edit my post above...

 

[tony_mac]

The link to tickets types on NRE still says

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/offpeak_conditions.html

Where Break of Journey is available on your specific journey, if you wish to stop overnight or it is not possible to complete the journey by 02:30 on the day following the last day of validity, you may continue your journey the following morning. Travel must resume before 12:00, where the time restrictions that apply to the ticket should be observed and no further break of journey is allowed except to change trains.

 

[island]

The link to tickets types on NRE still says

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/offpeak_conditions.html

It does. The Manual was changed in October, but they don't seem to have updated NRE.
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As island says, you can excess to the Any Permitted Super Off Peak Return, which would cost you £7.10 (assuming no Railcards).

Might be a little more, as the original ticket was issued pre fare increase.

 

[OwlMan]

It does. The Manual was changed in October, but they don't seem to have updated NRE.

Yes but if you go through journey finder it gives the new t&Cs - anyway I woud not advise anyone to risk travelling under the old T&Cs as it may cause problems.