Expired railcard - potential delay in response

[ftaco0309]

Hello, I recently got a witness statement receipt from a revenue protection officer, as I used a discounted ticket without realising it has expired four weeks ago. He asked if I was happy to pay the difference now and I said yes, but he just kept taking my details without giving me a chance to pay - why did he ask me then?

From all the posts in this form, I understand that since I wasn’t given a chance to pay on the spot, my case has been passed on to the prosecution team, who will investigate and send me a notice of intended prosecution. From the templates they said they would take this very seriously and we would be granted 14 days to reply.

I am concerned that I will be out of the country for just over two weeks when the letter arrives and completely miss the deadline to write a response back to them. I tried calling their customer support and the penalty fare team, but understandably they were the wrong departments to go to so they could not advise me about it.

I wrote an email to the prosecutions team to explain my situation (did not appeal, write my account of events or ask for forgiveness etc, just provided my upcoming travel dates and tried to get permission to write back to them as soon as I come back and send via next day delivery). I don’t know if they will reply anytime soon, but if I have to cancel my flights to wait for the letter, I need to do so soon.

Has anyone been in a similar position before, or actually missed the deadline? Is it a really hard set deadline and will I really be immediately taken to court if they don’t get my response by then? I believe I was on a Southern train but the witness statement receipted was issued by GTR.

Thank you!

 

[WesternLancer]

Hello, I recently got a witness statement receipt from a revenue protection officer, as I used a discounted ticket without realising it has expired four weeks ago. He asked if I was happy to pay the difference now and I said yes, but he just kept taking my details without giving me a chance to pay - why did he ask me then?

From all the posts in this form, I understand that since I wasn’t given a chance to pay on the spot, my case has been passed on to the prosecution team, who will investigate and send me a notice of intended prosecution. From the templates they said they would take this very seriously and we would be granted 14 days to reply.

I am concerned that I will be out of the country for just over two weeks when the letter arrives and completely miss the deadline to write a response back to them. I tried calling their customer support and the penalty fare team, but understandably they were the wrong departments to go to so they could not advise me about it.

I wrote an email to the prosecutions team to explain my situation (did not appeal, write my account of events or ask for forgiveness etc, just provided my upcoming travel dates and tried to get permission to write back to them as soon as I come back and send via next day delivery). I don’t know if they will reply anytime soon, but if I have to cancel my flights to wait for the letter, I need to do so soon.

Has anyone been in a similar position before, or actually missed the deadline? Is it a really hard set deadline and will I really be immediately taken to court if they don’t get my response by then? I believe I was on a Southern train but the witness statement receipted was issued by GTR.

Thank you!

Hi. Can you answer the questions in the pinned post at the top of the forum section to give us the information that will help advise you.

Key to your question is to know when this happened and when you plan to be abroad.

In the meantime and until you get advice from here it’s probably best not to try to contact the railway company about this for now.

 

[ftaco0309]

Hi. Can you answer the questions in the pinned post at the top of the forum section to give us the information that will help advise you.

Key to your question is to know when this happened and when you plan to be abroad.

In the meantime and until you get advice from here it’s probably best not to try to contact the railway company about this for now.

I was approached by an officer on a train from Sutton to Wimbledon, where I changed trains.

I normally use a 26-30 railcard to buy e-tickets on Trainline before tapping in; renewed it immediately after getting the witness statement receipt.

It happened last Wednesday, and I’ll be away from next Monday for two weeks.

Unfortunately I sent the email this Monday, asking for permission to write a response after I come back, in case the letter does come right after I leave.

 

[Titfield]

Given what we see here it is unlikely the train operator would write to you and set a reply deadline within the time you are away.

 

[WesternLancer]

I was approached by an officer on a train from Sutton to Wimbledon, where I changed trains.

I normally use a 26-30 railcard to buy e-tickets on Trainline before tapping in; renewed it immediately after getting the witness statement receipt.

It happened last Wednesday, and I’ll be away from next Monday for two weeks.

Unfortunately I sent the email this Monday, asking for permission to write a response after I come back, in case the letter does come right after I leave.

Thanks. I don’t think what you wrote will cause any problems.

I also think it’s unlikely they will write to you about this before you get back anyway. It can be 4 to 6 weeks before they write from what we see on here.

Is there a trusted person you could get to check your post while you’re away just in case. They could then scan any post and email you if anything was received?

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When you hear from them you can get advice here on how best to reply if that helps.

 

[ftaco0309]

No, I live alone and don’t know anyone who can come check the mail from me. I even looked up royal mail’s keepsafe but they don’t send notifications when you get a letter.

Thank you all for your replies, I’ll write again when I hear from them.

 

[WesternLancer]

No, I live alone and don’t know anyone who can come check the mail from me. I even looked up royal mail’s keepsafe but they don’t send notifications when you get a letter.

Thank you all for your replies, I’ll write again when I hear from them.

If you have a look at another case involving GTR / Thameslink that has been updated at each stage you might be able to get an idea of timeline, but it does depend on how busy they are at any particular time, and how complex yr case is (yours sounds pretty straightforward, an unintentionally expired Railcard) - here is one I plotted earlier this year for example

- the person (OP) was stopped on or around 1 Nov 2024
- The OP got the letter from GTR / Thameslink on 21 Jan 2025
- The OP replied to that letter around 24 Jan 2025
- The OP was offered an Out of Court settlement and paid it on 12 March

from this - which was a bit different to you as it looks like it involved deliberate evasion:

prosecution from govia thameslink

Hello, full transparency i was caught yesterday with the incorrect ticket for the journey i took, I was travelling from Luton to Farringdon but I was short on money so i’d only bought Luton to Luton Airport Parkway, I did not use a railcard or buy a child ticket, I haven’t used the trains since...

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It's possible it may be quicker than this for you of course

Their ultimate backstop is the ability to escalate to court if the passenger does not engage, and they have 6 months to do that. So you need to monitor your post for 6 months plus a bit more.
But in your favour you have already tried to engage to let them know when you might be away.

Hope this helps a bit.

 

[ftaco0309]

If you have a look at another case involving GTR / Thameslink that has been updated at each stage you might be able to get an idea of timeline, but it does depend on how busy they are at any particular time, and how complex yr case is (yours sounds pretty straightforward, an unintentionally expired Railcard) - here is one I plotted earlier this year for example

- the person (OP) was stopped on or around 1 Nov 2024
- The OP got the letter from GTR / Thameslink on 21 Jan 2025
- The OP replied to that letter around 24 Jan 2025
- The OP was offered an Out of Court settlement and paid it on 12 March

from this - which was a bit different to you as it looks like it involved deliberate evasion:

prosecution from govia thameslink

Hello, full transparency i was caught yesterday with the incorrect ticket for the journey i took, I was travelling from Luton to Farringdon but I was short on money so i’d only bought Luton to Luton Airport Parkway, I did not use a railcard or buy a child ticket, I haven’t used the trains since...

www.railforums.co.uk

It's possible it may be quicker than this for you of course

Their ultimate backstop is the ability to escalate to court if the passenger does not engage, and they have 6 months to do that. So you need to monitor your post for 6 months plus a bit more.
But in your favour you have already tried to engage to let them know when you might be away.

Hope this helps a bit.

Yes, I feel a bit more assured. Will keep my eyes on the mail, thank you!