Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

craigybagel · 18 Nov 2019

Skip 10 said:
As far as I'm aware no method of working has been agreed so far.......

Indeed I've not heard of anything either. Those are very busy stations to work with only opening one carriage....

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Skip 10 · 19 Nov 2019

First one has arrived at Crewe this morning for training. Looks like new wheelsets have been fitted throughout. The multi working appears to work through the system ready fitted on the mk4s as opposed to fitting AAR to the DVT and stock.

hexagon789 · 19 Nov 2019

Skip 10 said:
First one has arrived at Crewe this morning for training. Looks like new wheelsets have been fitted throughout. The multi working appears to work through the system ready fitted on the mk4s as opposed to fitting AAR to the DVT and stock.

Perhaps they've fitted the 67s with TDM then rather than retro-fitting the Mk4s with AAR?

Entertexthere · 19 Nov 2019

Skip 10 said:
First one has arrived at Crewe this morning for training. Looks like new wheelsets have been fitted throughout. The multi working appears to work through the system ready fitted on the mk4s as opposed to fitting AAR to the DVT and stock.

Any photos of it online yet?

Murray J · 19 Nov 2019

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found this on the transport for wales livery forum, think this is of the set now at crewe but can't be sure.

Entertexthere · 19 Nov 2019

Murray J said:
found this on the transport for wales livery forum, think this is of the set now at crewe but can't be sure.

Cheers for that. I think the DVT looks a bit bare, and if the rumours on this thread are true about the mk4s staying in VTEC livery, it doesn't look like it joins up correctly (or even the right white for that matter).

hexagon789 · 19 Nov 2019

Entertexthere said:
Cheers for that. I think the DVT looks a bit bare, and if the rumours on this thread are true about the mk4s staying in VTEC livery, it doesn't look like it joins up correctly (or even the right white for that matter).

The special charity liveries should brighten up the DVTs a bit and they won't match the Mk4s I don't imagine

Murray J · 19 Nov 2019

Entertexthere said:
Cheers for that. I think the DVT looks a bit bare, and if the rumours on this thread are true about the mk4s staying in VTEC livery, it doesn't look like it joins up correctly (or even the right white for that matter).

yeah agreed. it will just look completely wrong if they're kept in VTEC livery, sort of surprised they'd do that though considering it looks like they're planning on keeping them long term.

TT-ONR-NRN · 19 Nov 2019

Entertexthere said:
Cheers for that. I think the DVT looks a bit bare, and if the rumours on this thread are true about the mk4s staying in VTEC livery, it doesn't look like it joins up correctly (or even the right white for that matter).

Well I was told by LNER Twitter dude there would be no changes other than removal of LNER branding, but this might have been referral to just the interior, I guess.

krus_aragon · 19 Nov 2019

Murray J said:
yeah agreed. it will just look completely wrong if they're kept in VTEC livery, sort of surprised they'd do that though considering it looks like they're planning on keeping them long term.

I think it's a case of wanting to get the rolling stock out and in use as soon as possible, rather than keep them back for cosmetic work. In other words, Virgin's red and white is close enough for now, and they'll repaint them later when they're not so short of rolling stock.

Merle Haggard · 19 Nov 2019

That was a quick turn round by Eastleigh. Shows up certain other rolling stock modifiers...

Bletchleyite · 19 Nov 2019

Merle Haggard said:
That was a quick turn round by Eastleigh. Shows up certain other rolling stock modifiers...

To be fair the modifications aren't exactly on a par with any of the other projects.

Merle Haggard · 19 Nov 2019

Bletchleyite said:
To be fair the modifications aren't exactly on a par with any of the other projects.

I know. I just felt a little, er, impish. And some of the others do seem to be v e r y s l o w.

S-Bahn · 19 Nov 2019

Apologies - what's the current proposed introduction date?

PHILIPE · 19 Nov 2019

S-Bahn said:
Apologies - what's the current proposed introduction date?

December Timetable. Fingers crossed.

Rhydgaled · 20 Nov 2019

PHILIPE said:
ash39 said:

Apologies if this has been covered up thread and I've missed, but following on from this do you know if that means the Manchester loco hauled will eventually revert to a unit, leaving the mk4's working solely Cardiff-Holyhead diagrams?

Click to expand...

In May at the moment when the Marches is cleared for Mark IVs

There is still no confirmation of the rumour that more than 3 or 4 67s would be getting TfW livery. If the rumour is true, then it seems likely there will be more mark 4s sets but whether they would work to Manchester is of course also unconfirmed.

Murray J said:
yeah agreed. it will just look completely wrong if they're kept in VTEC livery, sort of surprised they'd do that though considering it looks like they're planning on keeping them long term.

There was a suggestion that they hadn't decided what they were doing with the interior long-term, so it may be that they've decided to leave the livery for a later refurb.

ash39 · 20 Nov 2019

I'd be surprised if they touched the interiors. Virgin spent £21m refurbishing them a couple of years ago, and they are red! Could hardly be a better match for TFW.

harz99 · 21 Nov 2019

krus_aragon said:
I think it's a case of wanting to get the rolling stock out and in use as soon as possible, rather than keep them back for cosmetic work. In other words, Virgin's red and white is close enough for now, and they'll repaint them later when they're not so short of rolling stock.

Think you'll find the Mk4s are vinyled not painted...

krus_aragon · 21 Nov 2019

harz99 said:
Think you'll find the Mk4s are vinyled not painted...

In which case, they'd either be revinyled or painted later.

(I hadn't meant to specify that they're covered in paint, just that they'll probably change colour later on. I haven't seen the Mark 4s in person since they were navy blue.)

XCTurbostar · 21 Nov 2019

Are the mk4s still east coast grey underneath then?

Side Note. Nice to see the return of black headlight surrounds on the DVT!

mpb56125 · 27 Nov 2019

82226, 11323, 10325, 12454 & 12225 on Crewe CS yesterday next to the Stoke line. 67008 also has additional multiple working socket on the front ends.
https://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains-2019/November-2019/i-txRMbfK

Mark
https://mark5812.smugmug.com

FrodshamJnct · 27 Nov 2019

mpb56125 said:
82226, 11323, 10325, 12454 & 12225 on Crewe CS yesterday next to the Stoke line. 67008 also has additional multiple working socket on the front ends.
https://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains-2019/November-2019/i-txRMbfK

Mark
https://mark5812.smugmug.com

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

FrodshamJnct · 14 Dec 2019

Confirmed that the Manchester set and Cardiff-Holyhead set will remain as Mk3s for now and won’t change to Mk4s on Monday. The new proposed Cardiff-Holyhead will be units.

Skip 10 · 15 Dec 2019

Tom Maddox said:
Confirmed that the Manchester set and Cardiff-Holyhead set will remain as Mk3s for now and won’t change to Mk4s on Monday. The new proposed Cardiff-Holyhead will be units.

Thought there was only 1 mk3 dvt available now?

FrodshamJnct · 15 Dec 2019

Skip 10 said:
Thought there was only 1 mk3 dvt available now?

So did I. Other one must have had its wheel flats sorted. Info from a TFW guard that works the Manchester set.

craigybagel · 15 Dec 2019

Skip 10 said:
Thought there was only 1 mk3 dvt available now?

Tom Maddox said:
So did I. Other one must have had its wheel flats sorted. Info from a TFW guard that works the Manchester set.

306 is on North Wales, 307 on Gerald, 308 presumably on the naughty step in Canton.

Skip 10 · 15 Dec 2019

craigybagel said:
306 is on North Wales, 307 on Gerald, 308 presumably on the naughty step in Canton.

must have been some spanner bashing since Wednesday going on. On the bright side it's not our to worry about.

craigybagel · 15 Dec 2019

Skip 10 said:
must have been some spanner bashing since Wednesday going on. On the bright side it's not our to worry about.

They brought the spare up to Crewe from Canton on Wednesday, and got it back in service on the North Wales set on Friday.

Skip 10 · 15 Dec 2019

craigybagel said:
They brought the spare up to Crewe from Canton on Wednesday, and got it back in service on the North Wales set on Friday.

I take it all back, just seen the words "special turn" with a 4:48 book on.......... Taxi.

modernrail · 15 Dec 2019

If this all goes well I really do hope deals can be done to extend the application of the MKIVs. I would love to see them on more of the North/South wales services and:
Manchester - Cardiff
Liverpool - Holyhead
Liverpool - Nottingham (although I accept 185s much more likely but the MKIV environment is much nicer for intercity route like this).

Increasingly it feels like there might be options to boost capacity in the north and Wales without any further new orders, if the right deals can be struck with the leasing companies and the Government is willing to repay a little of the hopefully not misguided trust that has just been placed in it. Time will tell if anybody in Gov/the DfT really is capable of that level of rather obvious imagination.

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