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Euston overcrowding concerns

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edwin_m

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If you're coming in from Kent or Surrey for example I can understand getting to Euston early, allowing for 30 mins delay on train on then 20 mins to get across on the tube.. everything going on time you can see where you'd get into Euston early.

Fine saying the protection of through tickets but if you're not a regular user of the railway you wouldn't know or wouldn't want the stress of missing the intended train.
Even from elsewhere in central London I can see people being concerned about Tube delays.

Until a few years ago I used to visit a company office that was about 25min walk from St Pancras, and I'd happily stay there until 30-35min before my train departed. Now the company has moved to be a similar travel time away but requiring a Tube journey, and I feel I have to leave the best part of an hour before even though I'd be able to claim for a new ticket if I missed it.
 
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Back in the good old “deeply inefficient” BR days InterCity services were platformed and opened to passengers 20 minutes before departure with manned and open for business Buffet Cars?
What happened?
 

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Back in the good old “deeply inefficient” BR days InterCity services were platformed and opened to passengers 20 minutes before departure with manned and open for business Buffet Cars?
What happened?
There weren't as many trains or passengers, 630m in 1982 vs 1,753m in 2019.
 

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One key problem on the LNWR services is the very tight turnround time. Often no time at all between an incoming train offloading 8 coaches and hundreds of people rushing to get on.
I've never had my ticket checked on board any of the LNWR services out of Euston.
 

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Were the trains longer then, with more seats? No central locking either, just turn up open the door and get in.
 

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Were the trains longer then, with more seats?

No, though probably less crowded. Having said that, Ben Elton did a sketch about the Euston scrum ages ago ("double seat, double seat, gotta get a double seat") so it's not new!

No central locking either, just turn up open the door and get in.

This was a good reason for keeping people off the platforms during cleaning, which no longer exists.
 

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No, though probably less crowded. Having said that, Ben Elton did a sketch about the Euston scrum ages ago ("double seat, double seat, gotta get a double seat") so it's not new!



This was a good reason for keeping people off the platforms during cleaning, which no longer exists.
I moved to London in 1989 and used to travel back to Manchester regularly for a few years - the Euston scrum was a well-established phenomenon even then (particularly for the first cheaper train at 19.00 on Friday!)
 

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There weren't as many trains or passengers, 630m in 1982 vs 1,753m in 2019.
True, but platform occupation was less efficient at Euston in the past than today with multiple unit trains. Which basically roll in and with a turnaround should be ready to go straight out. With loco hauled stock the process took longer. Reducing platform utility. The Cobbler MK1 Stock would often be sitting waiting for a vacuum braked loco to haul it out to the backing out roads. Often trains would require a set to be tripped in from the Downside shed. Or waiting a locomotive to become available. The management of the train took longer, with guards having to collect consists, doing a brake tests. The physical window and seat labelling that had to be completed before the platform was opened to passengers. The manual loading and unloading of mail and parcels on virtually every interCity train prolonged the process of receiving and dispatching trains. And it was a regular to have a special to load on to a train. Joe Loss and his Orchestra - a few double bases take a bit of shifting. Motorbikes were a regular item to be loaded. I remember we even had the carriage of coffins in an additional full brake. That had to be loaded before the travelling public could be allowed on the platform. Euston was also a Motorail station. With daily loading and unloading of the cars, meaning vans arriving on the arrivals side had to be moved across the throat of the station to get to the unloading dock at 17. Then you had the management of Lorries and vans using platforms 1-3 to factor into your passenger train loading. Thankfully all the MagStar traffic by lorry used 16-18 to access the Parcels deck. 16-18 were not signalled for passenger services. I think that changed in 1988? if you had to use them for a passenger service there was no ramp from the concourse, you had to lead the passengers out of the station and down the road ramp, and someone had to talk the driver past the signal. By the 1980s Euston was pretty busy. On a Friday night you could have lines of people queuing to use the public telephones, blocking the access to 12-15 and 1-3 platforms. Weekday mornings you also had the crowd management of the underground passengers on the station concourse when LUL declared their station overcrowded. Holding all the people at the top of the escalators. Thankfully the underground entrance has now been Screened off from the national rail Concourse, and the piazza has taken on a bigger role as a circulating area.

Anyway that’s all in the past. The fact is Euston is not going to get physically bigger in the next twenty years, so some more active management will be required.
 
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I arrived at Euston on a late running WMT service from Crewe on Thursday. Getting off was fine, I had luggage so didn't exactly rush up the ramp, but didn't dawdle either. As I reached the top, the platform was shown for the 17:46 back to Crewe, the units I came in on. Cue a mass scrum which made it quite difficult to actually get onto and through the concourse!

I often arrive early and partake in a beverage or two in the Euston Tap, pop to Sainsbury's for train beer and/or food then watch Traksy/RTT for the platform and never have an issue. I've used the Nandos on multiple occasions too, along with plenty of others. As others say, when you have advances to the North West for £15 or are travelling on the Sleeper, you make damn sure you're there in good time! Even on WMT walk ups, I like to get there early and visit the Euston Tap.
 
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