"EUB" Trains Woodford - Frodingham

[6Gman]

Reading through a 1963 "Classification and marshalling of freight trains" document (as one does) I found an abbreviation I've never come across before - "EUB" Trains. There were six of them, running as Class 6 to Annesley but Class 8 forward. There was a further train Woodford to Sutton-in-Ashfield, Class 6 to Annesley and Class 7 forward, which detached mineral emtpties at Summit Colliery.

Does anyone know what "EUB" means in this context?

My first thought was that they could be block loads of iron ore (there were ore quarries in the Woodford area) but six trains a day seems a lot, and why the Summit Colly/ Sutton train?

My second thought was block loads of steel-carrying wagons (empty) being returned to Scunthorpe for loading - Empty Unbraked Bolsters ? Empty Urgent Bolsters?

Any ideas fellow railway folk?

 

[Gloster]

Express Unbraked?

 

[Rescars]

Empties UnBraked? Just a guess!

 

[Gloster]

To add to #2. Could these be return ‘Windcutter’ workings as they were Annesley-Woodford runs at faster speeds than normal on a ‘keep ‘em rolling’ basis. As I think Class 6 was for Express Freight it might have necessary to give particular notice that these were empty wagons. I am not sure what speed Class 6 were at that time: locomotive crew might have enjoyed (relatively) working an Express Freight, but I bet the guard was hanging on for dear life and leaving a trail of blue words.

 

[Rescars]

.... locomotive crew might have enjoyed (relatively) working an Express Freight, but I bet the guard was hanging on for dear life and leaving a trail of blue words.

..... though I guess the guard was also hoping he wasn't left behind (along with any part of his train)!

 

[6Gman]

To add to #2. Could these be return ‘Windcutter’ workings as they were Annesley-Woodford runs at faster speeds than normal on a ‘keep ‘em rolling’ basis. As I think Class 6 was for Express Freight it might have necessary to give particular notice that these were empty wagons. I am not sure what speed Class 6 were at that time: locomotive crew might have enjoyed (relatively) working an Express Freight, but I bet the guard was hanging on for dear life and leaving a trail of blue words.

But the Windcutters were coal, so why would the return empties run to Frodingham?

 

[Rescars]

Just looked into headcode definitions. Class 6 = express freight with at least four vehicles fitted with continuous brakes and connected to the loco, class 7 = express freight, unfitted, class 8 = unfitted through freight. Does any of this help at all?

 

[Magdalia]

There were six of them, running as Class 6 to Annesley but Class 8 forward. There was a further train Woodford to Sutton-in-Ashfield, Class 6 to Annesley and Class 7 forward, which detached mineral empties at Summit Colliery.

Do you have any times or headcodes for these?

 

[Gloster]

One further thought is that these were the return workings of trains of slag. I can see reasons for using dedicated wagons, but why the empties were worked back urgently is beyond me.

 

[6Gman]

Do you have any times or headcodes for these?

Woodford-Frodingham

6/8E75 0622
6/8E76 0902 (SX) 0920 (SO)
6/8E77 1038
6/8E78 1355 (SX)
6/8E41 1550 - shown as Q to Mansfield CS
6/8E26 1935 (SO)

Woodford-Sutton-in-Ashfield
6/7D57 0912 (SX) 1002 (SO) - this is the one that also carried mineral empties to Summit Colliery

One other note - the 6E ones are also marked "Must have brake-van at each end". Which could suggest a reversal at some point, but I can't see why that would be necessary.

 

[Frodingham]

Reversal would be necessary if they were routed via Barnetby

 

[6Gman]

Reversal would be necessary if they were routed via Barnetby

That's an interesting possibility. I'd assumed they'd have gone via Sheffield & Doncaster but they could, of course, have gone via Lincoln or (even) Gainsborough.

 

[Magdalia]

Reading through a 1963 "Classification and marshalling of freight trains" document (as one does) I found an abbreviation I've never come across before - "EUB" Trains. There were six of them, running as Class 6 to Annesley but Class 8 forward. There was a further train Woodford to Sutton-in-Ashfield, Class 6 to Annesley and Class 7 forward, which detached mineral emtpties at Summit Colliery.

Does anyone know what "EUB" means in this context?

Woodford-Frodingham

6/8E75 0622
6/8E76 0902 (SX) 0920 (SO)
6/8E77 1038
6/8E78 1355 (SX)
6/8E41 1550 - shown as Q to Mansfield CS
6/8E26 1935 (SO)

Woodford-Sutton-in-Ashfield
6/7D57 0912 (SX) 1002 (SO) - this is the one that also carried mineral empties to Summit Colliery

Thanks for the headcodes and times which gave me a route to the answer.

Empties UnBraked? Just a guess!

This is a correct guess! In an LMR Working timetable they show as Empties (Unbraked).

There are also lots of other Empties (Unbraked) workings.

6D51 0240 MX Woodford-Annesley
6N64/8N64 0255 Woodford-Tees
6D52 0408 Woodford-Annesley
6D53 0523 Woodford-Annesley
6D55 0700 Woodford-Newstead Colliery
6N78/8N78 MO 0808 Woodford-Tees
6E40/8E40 MX 0808 Woodford-Frodingham
6D61 SX 1206 Woodford-Newstead Colliery
6D63 1231 Woodford-Hucknall Town
6D64 1306 Woodford-Annesley
6N79/8N79 SO 1412/SX 1425 Woodford-Tees
6D65 SO 1445 Woodford-Annesley
6D66 1455 Woodford-Kirkby Bentinck
6D67 SX 1445 Woodford-Annesley Colliery
6D70 1630 Woodford-Annesley
6D71 SX 1720 Woodford-Newstead Colliery/SO 1720 Woodford-Hucknall Town
6E71/8E71 1826 Woodford-Mansfield CS
6D74 SX 1935 Woodford-Annesley
6D76 SX 2022 Woodford-Annesley
6N80/8N80 2047 Woodford-Tees
6E18/8E18 SO 2120 Woodford-Staveley Central/SX 2330 Woodford-Renishaw Central
6D78 SX 2127 Woodford-Kirkby Bentinck
6D79 SO 2200 Woodford-Annesley

The common feature of Empties (Unbraked) trains appears to be running as class 6 Woodford-Annesley.

Reversal would be necessary if they were routed via Barnetby

I haven't been able to check the ER Working Timetable but the LMR Working Timetable show the Frodingham trains turning off the Great Central Main Line at Kirkby South Junction, which suggests a route via the LDEC and Lincoln to Barnetby.

 

[Rescars]

Thanks for the headcodes and times which gave me a route to the answer.


This is a correct guess! In an LMR Working timetable they show as Empties (Unbraked).

There are also lots of other Empties (Unbraked) workings.

6D51 0240 MX Woodford-Annesley
6N64/8N64 0255 Woodford-Tees
6D52 0408 Woodford-Annesley
6D53 0523 Woodford-Annesley
6D55 0700 Woodford-Newstead Colliery
6N78/8N78 MO 0808 Woodford-Tees
6E40/8E40 MX 0808 Woodford-Frodingham
6D61 SX 1206 Woodford-Newstead Colliery
6D63 1231 Woodford-Hucknall Town
6D64 1306 Woodford-Annesley
6N79/8N79 SO 1412/SX 1425 Woodford-Tees
6D65 SO 1445 Woodford-Annesley
6D66 1455 Woodford-Kirkby Bentinck
6D67 SX 1445 Woodford-Annesley Colliery
6D70 1630 Woodford-Annesley
6D71 SX 1720 Woodford-Newstead Colliery/SO 1720 Woodford-Hucknall Town
6E71/8E71 1826 Woodford-Mansfield CS
6D74 SX 1935 Woodford-Annesley
6D76 SX 2022 Woodford-Annesley
6N80/8N80 2047 Woodford-Tees
6E18/8E18 SO 2120 Woodford-Staveley Central/SX 2330 Woodford-Renishaw Central
6D78 SX 2127 Woodford-Kirkby Bentinck
6D79 SO 2200 Woodford-Annesley

The common feature of Empties (Unbraked) trains appears to be running as class 6 Woodford-Annesley.


I haven't been able to check the ER Working Timetable but the LMR Working Timetable show the Frodingham trains turning off the Great Central Main Line at Kirkby South Junction, which suggests a route via the LDEC and Lincoln to Barnetby.

Thanks, Magdalia. Certainly more luck than judgement!

 

[6Gman]

Thanks everyone - that seems to be the question answered!