EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Howardh]

And? If that's true, what's the problem with it? Why are you remainers so het up about migration? Why do you think immigration to the UK from non EU-countries is a problem? Are you a bit racist?
Hmm.

Glad you agree there's no problem with EU migration. We can keep our freedom of movement then. Thanks!

You are aiming your "racist" point at the wrong person there, bud. Have a go at Brexit voters who want less immigration to free up space, make housing cheaper, fewer cars on the roads etc etc.

My "problem" with it is we've lost our FoM to solve an issue that doesn't exist (ie EU immigration).

 

[nidave]

 

[Mvann]

The problem isn't immigration though. If a certain sector of industry didn't need anymore migrant workers, we can stop non eu migrants from coming for those jobs but wouldn't be able to stop EU migrants because of the freedom of movement that comes from being in the EU

 

[nidave]

The problem isn't immigration though. If a certain sector of industry didn't need anymore migrant workers, we can stop non eu migrants from coming for those jobs but wouldn't be able to stop EU migrants because of the freedom of movement that comes from being in the EU

Whats your point? If there are jobs available (especially ones that UK workers wont do) why deny these people the right to work?
My experience with people from the EU (especially eastern Europe) is they have a very strong work ethic.

 

[Howardh]

The problem isn't immigration though. If a certain sector of industry didn't need anymore migrant workers, we can stop non eu migrants from coming for those jobs but wouldn't be able to stop EU migrants because of the freedom of movement that comes from being in the EU

Why would EU migrants turn up for jobs that don't exist?
You do know that if they come looking for jobs on the fly, if they can't find one and can't support themselves after 3-months we can, UNDER EU RULES, send them packing?

 

[Mvann]

If the jobs didn't exist neither would that sector.

Under EU rules I can't give first choice just to British citizens, but if I found a non EU citizen perfect for the jobs I'd have a whole load of hoops to jump through.

 

[nidave]

If the jobs didn't exist neither would that sector

I dont get how this point applies to migration - it applies in general. So are you saying we need to remove sectors of employment from the UK to stop jobs being available??

 

[Mvann]

No what I'm saying is this and I'll use an example from my college tutors.
If the government deems there are too many widget makers in this country and a job for a widget maker comes up, the government can put obstacles in the way for recruiting non EU citizens. It can't do that to EU citizens as it stands at the moment.

 

[nidave]

No what I'm saying is this and I'll use an example from my college tutors.
If the government deems there are too many widget makers in this country and a job for a widget maker comes up, the government can put obstacles in the way for recruiting non EU citizens. It can't do that to EU citizens as it stands at the moment.

but they dont do that for non eu workers so the point is not really valid - if you wanted to reduce migration you would start with the easy stuff.

 

[Mvann]

but they dont do that for non eu workers so the point is not really valid - if you wanted to reduce migration you would start with the easy stuff.

Yes they do. We had a columbian that worked for us while at college during the holidays. He wasn't allowed to stay on because the government wouldn't give him a works visa extension even though he had a job with us and we wanted him to stay because he was a good worker

 

[Howardh]

No what I'm saying is this and I'll use an example from my college tutors.
If the government deems there are too many widget makers in this country and a job for a widget maker comes up, the government can put obstacles in the way for recruiting non EU citizens. It can't do that to EU citizens as it stands at the moment.

Which means exactly the same for UK citizens wishing to work in the EU, we currently don't face any obstacles.

 

[Howardh]

Yes they do. We had a columbian that worked for us while at college during the holidays. He wasn't allowed to stay on because the government wouldn't give him a works visa extension even though he had a job with us and we wanted him to stay because he was a good worker

And you will still have that issue after Brexit. However if he came from Poland now you would be able to keep him...but after Brexit you may be forced to lose him. So it's lose-lose for you and the worker.

 

[Mvann]

Not necessarily because it would depend on what the government thinks the country needs for employment at that particular time. It's the control of movement in the future that is incompatible with the freedom of movement we have now.

 

[EM2]

No what I'm saying is this and I'll use an example from my college tutors.
If the government deems there are too many widget makers in this country and a job for a widget maker comes up, the government can put obstacles in the way for recruiting non EU citizens. It can't do that to EU citizens as it stands at the moment.

If you get a good widget maker, why does it matter where they're from?

 

[Howardh]

If you get a good widget maker, why does it matter where they're from?

I don't understand their argument...please help.
They don't want the government to send home quality immigrant workers - but that's what they will exactly do after Brexit by adding EU worker to the rest of the world that are "under control" and can be prevented from entering (except as tourists and/or via Ireland) or thrown out when their visa/permit expires?

 

[nidave]

Plus when did the government decide that we had too much competition - If I want to open a Widget factory and there are 100 of them in the same town - the government is not going to say no.
Your argument is deeply flawed. Unless its a public service like police and fire (and a few regulated industries) no one is going to stop you.

 

[Mvann]

I don't understand their argument...please help.
They don't want the government to send home quality immigrant workers - but that's what they will exactly do after Brexit by adding EU worker to the rest of the world that are "under control" and can be prevented from entering (except as tourists and/or via Ireland) or thrown out when their visa/permit expires?

As far as I'm aware, unless I've missed something, there isn't a policy to send EU citizens home on march 29th. All countries have an immigration policy and those policies do change. The Uk for Non EU workers is set in a way that those areas where there is a skill shortage take precedent for visas over those areas where there isn't a shortage.

 

[nidave]

As far as I'm aware, unless I've missed something, there isn't a policy to send EU citizens home on march 29th. All countries have an immigration policy and those policies do change. The Uk for Non EU workers is set in a way that those areas where there is a skill shortage take precedent for visas over those areas where there isn't a shortage.

What about unskilled manual work like seasonal work on farms. Who is going to do that?

 

[fowler9]

What about unskilled manual work like seasonal work on farms. Who is going to do that?

I am sure loads of people will be happy to fly over from Commonwealth countries to do it. They can build up some serious air miles.

 

[Billy A]

What about unskilled manual work like seasonal work on farms. Who is going to do that?

Just send a boat out to some part of the old Empire. Call it, oh I don't know, the Windrush or something?

 

[fowler9]

Just send a boat out to some part of the old Empire. Call it, oh I don't know, the Windrush or something?

Then we can just kick them out afterwards. May has previous on that.

 

[nidave]

This made me chuckle:
"A Brexit debate between May and Corbyn will be like watching two flat earthers arguing over who can give the best explanation for gravity." Twitter

 

[fowler9]

This made me chuckle:
"A Brexit debate between May and Corbyn will be like watching two flat earthers arguing over who can give the best explanation for gravity." Twitter

Ha ha, saw that today n'all.

 

[Senex]

This made me chuckle:
"A Brexit debate between May and Corbyn will be like watching two flat earthers arguing over who can give the best explanation for gravity." Twitter

It should be fun to see May trying to persuade Corbyn to buy into her all-Tory Brexit — in the national interest, of course.

 

[NSEFAN]

What about unskilled manual work like seasonal work on farms. Who is going to do that?

It will either have to be done for higher wages to attract more natives (pushing up the price of the produce), or automated with modern farming machinery.

 

[nidave]

It will either have to be done for higher wages to attract more natives (pushing up the price of the produce), or automated with modern farming machinery.

Or do a trade deal with the US and decimate the UK farming industry with a glut of cheap processed food and milk. (there is a reason Canada won't accept milk the USA has a glut it needs to get rid of)

 

[furnessvale]

Or do a trade deal with the US and decimate the UK farming industry with a glut of cheap processed food and milk. (there is a reason Canada won't accept milk the USA has a glut it needs to get rid of)

Of course, those food and milk imports could nicely replace those from EU countries after we leave.

That would hit Eire massively, but he-ho, they decided to play hardball.

 

[nidave]

Of course, those food and milk imports could nicely replace those from EU countries after we leave.

That would hit Eire massively, but he-ho, they decided to play hardball.

Let's ship fresh milk across the Atlantic ocean or fly it to the UK just to stick it to the Irish and the eu.

Hardball.. You mean looking out for thier own interests. Funny when the UK do it its fine but when other countries do it its hardball. Do you not see the hyprocry in your statement???

 

[furnessvale]

Let's ship fresh milk across the Atlantic ocean or fly it to the UK just to stick it to the Irish and the eu.

So which way is it then? Is US milk going to decimate our farmers or is it too expensive to fly it across the Atlantic?

As for hardball, no problem. The EU is doing what it perceives to be in its own best interests, I have no problem if the UK does the same.

 

[greyman42]

What about unskilled manual work like seasonal work on farms. Who is going to do that?

The same people who are doing it now.