Were such a swing to happen at the next general election then Labour could potentially have a comfortable working majority of 30. I'd call that significant.
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Were such a swing to happen at the next general election then Labour could potentially have a comfortable working majority of 30. I'd call that significant.
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Howardh
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True, but the counter is that if we recriprocate and demand visas from EU's they simply won't come in the numbers they do today - why would they when they can travel round the EU totally freely without charge or bureaucracy?? - so a net gain could turn out to be a significant loss, and we're gonna need tourists more than ever.
Note - to avoid any hassle post-Brexit I've already booked some time off....Channel Isles! It's not Formentera...but it's not Clacton either!! But hopefully things will settle down and I can book Menorca for early July, there's a real-ale bar in Mahon whose beer won't drink itself.
northwichcat
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Yet many UKIP and Tory supporters who voted for Brexit can invest in foreign markets or foreign exchange markets, so they could actually make money from the value of the pound dropping if they have enough money available to be able to put some away for a bit. Although, the working class voters who voted the same way as the rich elite won't be able to do that. Also in some North East towns the number of EU nationals living there is practically non-existent so they'll be no low paid vacancies created by EU nationals leaving.
northwichcat
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Yet you are unhappy when D&G Bus use a bus with a seating capacity 5.7% smaller than the terms the contract was allegedly awarded on.
northwichcat
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Worth remembering in 2005 voter turnout was very low - loads of people didn't want to endorse Labour but also didn't want to vote against them either. Ever since the 2008 recession voter turnout has been much higher and has gone up at each election. Just under 13 million votes for Labour in 2017 only made them the biggest opposition party, while just over 11 million votes for the Conservatives in 2015 gave them a majority. The Conservatives have a huge campaign budget and like the EU referendum campaigns their 2015 campaign misled the public - trying to claim they were responsible for the nicer policies the Lib Dems forced them to do while reminding us the Lib Dems voted for the unpopular policies.
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Unlike the nice cuddly Labour promises to young people regarding student fees and existing loans?
northwichcat
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I think you're referring to the 2017 Corbyn led campaign, rather than the 2015 Miliband led one where one of Labour's headline policies was "A vote for Labour is a vote to remain in the EU." We don't know what Labour would do now if they got in even if they were the party who introduced tuition fees and replaced student grants with student loans. However, we do know David Cameron said in 2010 that changing the personal allowance before income tax to £10,000 was 'something which would be nice to do but not something which can be done', only to change his mind when the Lib Dems had it as a red line for a coalition agreement, only to try and claim it was a Conservative idea in 2015.
bramling
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It's all irrelevant anyway. Every voter is a grown adult, and part of that is being able to analyse information and form a decision.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit
Another piece of good news as a £240 billion a month trading market leaves for Amsterdam as a result of Brexit.
Another piece of good news as a £240 billion a month trading market leaves for Amsterdam as a result of Brexit.
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You cannot run those two assertions together. Yes, every voter is over 18. They do not all have the ability to analyse the information.
bramling
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So what do you suggest? Never have any form of election?
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Yes decisions should be made by a shadowy unaccountable elite in a secret smoke filled room.
furnessvale
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A benign dictatorship? Sadly, just like communism, human nature rapidly changes such ideas, and not for the better.
furnessvale
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Which neatly brings us back to why we voted leave.
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Except the phrase "shadowy unaccountable elite" very well describes those in charge of the various leave campaigns too.
The idea that Brexit is somehow anti establishment or against this "shadowy unaccountable elite" is hilarious when you look at the people actually involved.
LOL The Irony
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And they don't have 2 wheelchair bays and a pushchair bay. But we're talking about brexit procedings, not a different group of idiots.
EM2
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Of those leading figures that campaigned to leave, who has been accountable for how it's gone since?
birchesgreen
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Aha i wondered why we voted leave, it was Farage filling the room with smoke
By "we" you mean just over half the people who voted following a campaign still being investigated for irregularities shall we say?
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Your implication was that every adult is able to properly consider the issues at stake and be able to compare all the available evidence - that clearly isn't the case.
We should have elections, though we need to understand that not everyone will understand all the issues. We need to ensure that all election communications are fair and honest with equal access to the electorate and equal funding.
Now - we've got that out of the way - what's your considered opinion on CME leaving the UK, citing Brexit as a cause? How are we going to replace that income?
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Well done Brexit, you've put in charge someone who
You know what, Dominic, we already HAVE a
https://twitter.com/indeox/status/1060472540659879936 - a video of said speech.
https://twitter.com/wdjstraw/status/1060446473446477824
You know what, Dominic, we already HAVE a
you berk.
https://twitter.com/indeox/status/1060472540659879936 - a video of said speech.
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northwichcat
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It seems some thought voting against what David Cameron wanted meant they were voting against what the elite wanted. While there's many reasons for the working class to not agree with David Cameron or John Major, the EU is one area there should have been agreement - the EU isn't perfect but we didn't have and still don't have a plan which will make us better off outside the EU than we are within the EU. A 52/48 split the other way would have been the perfect result - allowing us to remain in the EU without moaners jumping up and down saying 'doing so would be undemocratic now we had an advisory referendum where leave won' but allowing us to go back to the EU and say 48% of the population wanting to leave is not good - we need more and better reforms given there's such a small majority.
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He'll probably find it miraculous that there is actually a tunnel between the UK and mainland Europe.
Howardh
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Even if I were the most ardent leave voter, I'd admit this bloke's a clown (he's in the right company) and I certainly wouldn't have voted for goods to be held up, motorways blocked with lorries, flights possibly cancelled, visas for all, the pound slumping and inflation. All to keep a few Bulgarians and Romanians out (who will come in anyway via Ireland) and to keep UKIP at bay (it probably won't).
Anyhow - I'm waiting for all the Brexiteers to admit "this isn't what we voted for" (whatever it was in the first place) and "can we have another vote?". No, let Dominic sort it, you're in safe hands.
*Falls over laughing*.
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More project fear predictions turning out to be true: Goldman Sachs are heading to Frankfurt.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-plan-tenfold-increase-of-assets-in-frankfurt
Where's a Brexiteer to defend this stupid situation when you need one? It all seems to have gone very quiet.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-plan-tenfold-increase-of-assets-in-frankfurt
Where's a Brexiteer to defend this stupid situation when you need one? It all seems to have gone very quiet.
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Boris's Bruv, Jo, has done a runner. Raab would but he'd get lost, looking for a ferry at Southport.
Indeed I’m a remainer who would now vote leave.
Reasons
1. We had a vote and I get fed up of people who dont like the result and want to change it, also like the SNP.
2. Job losses well there were always going to be job losses and anybody who thinks otherwise is an idiot, the main reason I voted remain in the first place. However I suspect a lot of the jobs we were always going to loose have already gone, EU agencies, Banking etc.
3. A straight trade deal should be possible with the EU but yes Northern Ireland is a big spanner in that, and yes that may cost more jobs but certainly nothing like no deal, and is essentially the price of brexit. Of course the biggest problem are the Tory right wing nutters who would be quite happy with no deal rather than the EU in my view.
4. Although I voted remain never been a fan of the Brussels machine and closer integration which frankly the people didn’t have much say on until the EU vote.
5. Immigration I do think we should have immigration controls, people are fed up in some areas of being overwhelmed by people of a different cultures and yes that also applies to non EU immigration
6. Freedom of movement was ok when the EU countries had largely similar economies but when they don’t you get disproportionate movement, and even without that I’m sure there are plenty of Spanish people who resent the number of British and other EU nationalities living in Spain, even if it substantially helped the Spanish economy.
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How will you cope with Trade deals being signed on the condition that we allow freedom of movement between the counties?
USA, Turkey, India, Australia & New Zealand have all said they will not sign a trade deal without freedom of movement (and other concessions)
I think we will see on that one, has trump land really said that I would be extremely surprised! Given the amount of grilling you get just on esta.
You need to qualify the freedom of movement you’re talking about here as being completely different to the universal freedom of movement currently in place in the EU.
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