EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[TheKnightWho]

The feeling is mutual mate, the Remoaners are beyond contempt. That's all I can say about you lot without getting banned.

Why are you so hateful? Why are you in denial about the deception the Leave campaign employed? Why do you hold the public in such contempt? You say we're beyond contempt yet the best defence you can muster is a snake-oil salesman's desperate back-pedalling.

It's obvious the Leave campaign has been driven by the worst traits of humanity, and given the jeering, hateful and utterly deluded responses on this thread by various Brexiteers it's obvious this forum is not exempt from it.

 

[VauxhallandI]

No, I'm absolutely serious.

I'm afraid when I hear people say the bus wasn't designed to be a fact and that nobody who voted out because of it then I'm out of the debate with them.

It's pointless.

Oh and the phrase "Remoaners"

 

[Hornet]

I know exactly how referenda work.

Do you? Come over here to Dublin to see how approving Referendums on the Lisbon and Nice Treaties after they had been previously rejected has helped the Irish. (Give them soothing words about jobs, etc to make them vote the right way). Now the Irish are compliant they have been screwed over repeatedly by the EU institutions. (Threats of 'Economic' bombs going off and Irish Troops on the street to stop people accessing ATM's). The 'Bombs' remark was extremely offensive to Dub's, who were the victims of Loyalist bombs in the City in 1974.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-would-go-off-if-bondholders-burned-1.2347438

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpo...sh-atms-during-the-banking-crisis-364393.html

Smaller EU members being threatened by ruin by the bigger EU members, who get away with State aid (Alitalia in Italy, Siemens in Germany). Spain, France and Italy consistently breaking EU Fiscal rules that they hold others to account to. The bigger EU members meeting on their own after the UK vote (as if other EU states didn't matter. Everybody supposed to be in it together, I thought). Germany unilaterally tearing up the Dublin accord. Mass youth unemployment in Southern Europe. (If Germany needs more workers, why didn't they go to Spain, Portugal and Italy). Threats to the Democratically elected Governments of Poland, Austria and Hungary regards their policies on Immigration.

Ireland again being threatened by an unelected EU commission regards Corporation Tax. (The previous head of that commission said that Ireland had no case to answer). Even Micheal O'Leary, who was strongly against the UK leaving, has said the Irish Government should tell the EU to 'F**k off' and for Ireland to consider leaving the EU over this interference in a Nation States Tax policy.

http://www.independent.ie/business/...ell-eu-to-fk-off-michael-oleary-35010094.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...aten-to-leave-eu-over-apple-tax-35048171.html

Anyone who thinks that Cameron would have got any of the thing he had said he had won before the UK vote is naive in the extreme, especially with Juncker at the helm in the EU. Experience here in Ireland shows the EU is not to be trusted in negotiations.

The whole sorry EU edifice is close to collapse. Sclerotic Growth, Mass youth unemployment in Southern Europe, an Italian Banking crisis brewing, Greek and Irish debt at record levels, Political instability in Spain and Portugal. Separatist movements in Catalonia, the Basque Country and Corsica watching what happens to Scotland. EU interference in the NI peace process restarting 'The Troubles'. It's time to pull the plug on this 20th Century experiment in Federalism and design a more dynamic Free Trade system, embracing the Nation States of the world.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I'm afraid when I hear people say the bus wasn't designed to be a fact and that nobody who voted out because of it then I'm out of the debate with them.

It's pointless.

Indeed.

The sole purpose of the pledge was to persuade people to vote Leave. Trying to turn around afterwards and claim it was just a "suggestion" and only "idiots" would be persuaded by it is either boss-level trolling or it is effectively saying that the Leave campaign lied.

I didn't believe the pledge, but I know plenty of Leave voters who did.

 

[Grimsby town]

Do you? Come over here to Dublin to see how approving Referendums on the Lisbon and Nice Treaties after they had been previously rejected has helped the Irish. (Give them soothing words about jobs, etc to make them vote the right way). Now the Irish are compliant they have been screwed over repeatedly by the EU institutions. (Threats of 'Economic' bombs going off and Irish Troops on the street to stop people accessing ATM's). The 'Bombs' remark was extremely offensive to Dub's, who were the victims of Loyalist bombs in the City in 1974.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-would-go-off-if-bondholders-burned-1.2347438

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpo...sh-atms-during-the-banking-crisis-364393.html

Smaller EU members being threatened by ruin by the bigger EU members, who get away with State aid (Alitalia in Italy, Siemens in Germany). Spain, France and Italy consistently breaking EU Fiscal rules that they hold others to account to. The bigger EU members meeting on their own after the UK vote (as if other EU states didn't matter. Everybody supposed to be in it together, I thought). Germany unilaterally tearing up the Dublin accord. Mass youth unemployment in Southern Europe. (If Germany needs more workers, why didn't they go to Spain, Portugal and Italy). Threats to the Democratically elected Governments of Poland, Austria and Hungary regards their policies on Immigration.

Ireland again being threatened by an unelected EU commission regards Corporation Tax. (The previous head of that commission said that Ireland had no case to answer). Even Micheal O'Leary, who was strongly against the UK leaving, has said the Irish Government should tell the EU to 'F**k off' and for Ireland to consider leaving the EU over this interference in a Nation States Tax policy.

http://www.independent.ie/business/...ell-eu-to-fk-off-michael-oleary-35010094.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...aten-to-leave-eu-over-apple-tax-35048171.html

Anyone who thinks that Cameron would have got any of the thing he had said he had won before the UK vote is naive in the extreme, especially with Juncker at the helm in the EU. Experience here in Ireland shows the EU is not to be trusted in negotiations.

The whole sorry EU edifice is close to collapse. Sclerotic Growth, Mass youth unemployment in Southern Europe, an Italian Banking crisis brewing, Greek and Irish debt at record levels, Political instability in Spain and Portugal. Separatist movements in Catalonia, the Basque Country and Corsica watching what happens to Scotland. EU interference in the NI peace process restarting 'The Troubles'. It's time to pull the plug on this 20th Century experiment in Federalism and design a more dynamic Free Trade system, embracing the Nation States of the world.

Youth unemployment is not a new phenomena in Southern European countries, it's been that way for year although admittedly it is worse now but that's understandable with the current economic climate across the world.

Would those who voted Brexit care to explain how they see it being achieved and what exactly they would like to see after Brexit on issues such as immigration. I doubt you'll agree.

 

[radamfi]

Now the Irish are compliant they have been screwed over repeatedly by the EU institutions.

What about the countless billions pumped into Ireland from the EU to help transform them from a poor agricultural country into one of the richest countries in Europe?

 

[DarloRich]

What about the countless billions pumped into Ireland from the EU to help transform them from a poor agricultural country into one of the richest countries in Europe?

I assume you missed the vast financial crash in Ireland.....................
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The only idiots around here are the people who thought the Leave campaign would form a government on June 24th.

I don't think anyone thought leave would form a government :roll: Some of us hoped that there might, you know, be a plan somewhere for how we might actually leave. It is clear there isn't,

I mean it isn't as if the Conservative party is short of leave campaigners

 

[radamfi]

I assume you missed the vast financial crash in Ireland.

What about before then? The crash was caused by excessive exuberance by consumers and reckless lending by banks.

 

[Howardh]

When everyone's finished calling each other names...

The key is Remain didn't win - and therefore can sit back and do nothing. It's up to the Leave politicians to sort stuff out that leaves more than 50% of the country happy. problem is, 48% are already unhappy, and if half of Brexit don't get what they want that's 73% of the country unhappy and an election looming.

On one hand I want Brexit to fail, on the grounds of "I told you so", but on the other it has to be a success as from now on I'll be relying on private and state pensions + bank interest from savings and dividends from shares. So if the economy collapses I'll haven't a clue what income I will get.

Us remoaners would be much, much happier if we knew exactly what the plans are, and where we will be in five years, we might be more agreeable. But if there was a solid plan, and half of the leave voters didn't like it, we'd be back to square one.

And, of course two parties + SNP wishing to remain in the EU could hold the balance of power after the next general election.....what then??

 

[VauxhallandI]

When everyone's finished calling each other names...

The key is Remain didn't win - and therefore can sit back and do nothing. It's up to the Leave politicians to sort stuff out that leaves more than 50% of the country happy. problem is, 48% are already unhappy, and if half of Brexit don't get what they want that's 73% of the country unhappy and an election looming.

On one hand I want Brexit to fail, on the grounds of "I told you so", but on the other it has to be a success as from now on I'll be relying on private and state pensions + bank interest from savings and dividends from shares. So if the economy collapses I'll haven't a clue what income I will get.

Us remoaners would be much, much happier if we knew exactly what the plans are, and where we will be in five years, we might be more agreeable. But if there was a solid plan, and half of the leave voters didn't like it, we'd be back to square one.

And, of course two parties + SNP wishing to remain in the EU could hold the balance of power after the next general election.....what then??

This about sums it all up.

It's one big uncertain high risk gamble that someone has taken, now I don't mind when the drunk person next to me at the casino does it with his chips but when he leans over and puts me all in I get twitchy!

 

[Howardh]

This about sums it all up.

It's one big uncertain high risk gamble that someone has taken, now I don't mind when the drunk person next to me at the casino does it with his chips but when he leans over and puts me all in I get twitchy!

Know what you mean, but even a drunk can walk into a bookies with my money and guess right!
But would he ever make it to the bookies if he has to go past an off licence..and if he did win for you, would he blow it in the off licence on the way back

 

[cjmillsnun]

When everyone's finished calling each other names...

The key is Remain didn't win - and therefore can sit back and do nothing.

Absolute wibble.

Remain made up almost half of the vote. It was far too close for remainers not to be involved in working out the solution.

 

[miami]

Absolute wibble.

Remain made up almost half of the vote. It was far too close for remainers not to be involved in working out the solution.

Solution seems simple
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/159977

Recognise Brexit is too costly, cancel and prioritise spending on the NHS

The costs of Brexit will be enormous - a shrunken economy wiping out any savings from leaving the EU with no guarantee after years of tough and costly renegotiation we will achieve better trade treaties. Accept this now by cancelling Brexit in order to concentrate on saving the NHS and our schools.

 

[burneside]

If you think those petitions actually do anything then you are incredibly naive. The Remoaners just don't give up, do they? As far as I am concerned they can go to hell.

 

[J-2739]

If you think those petitions actually do anything then you are incredibly naive. The Remoaners just don't give up, do they? As far as I am concerned they can go to hell.

Such a deep comment.

 

[EM2]

If you think those petitions actually do anything then you are incredibly naive. The Remoaners just don't give up, do they? As far as I am concerned they can go to hell.

Fair enough. We'll just let Leave get on with it then.

 

[AlterEgo]

If you think those petitions actually do anything then you are incredibly naive. The Remoaners just don't give up, do they? As far as I am concerned they can go to hell.

Better get cracking on your Brexit solution then.

Have fun with the Irish border situation.

 

[Howardh]

If you think those petitions actually do anything then you are incredibly naive. The Remoaners just don't give up, do they? As far as I am concerned they can go to hell.

You're such a nice gentleman, naturally I don't reciprocate

Better get cracking on your Brexit solution then.

Have fun with the Irish border situation.

...and Gibraltar.

 

[Busaholic]

Lovely photo on social media of Diane James, new chief Kipper, looking absolutely revolted as Farage attempts to kiss her.

 

[J-2739]

Lovely photo on social media of Diane James, new chief Kipper, looking absolutely revolted as Farage attempts to kiss her.

My eyes fell off just like an Electrostar door button looking at that vomit-inducing photo.

 

[zuriblue]

My eyes fell off just like an Electrostar door button looking at that vomit-inducing photo.

I have to admit that this came to mind

(not my picture - Ripley and the Alien out of Alien 3)

 

[Howardh]

Tories are split in two.
Labour are split in two (minimum)
UKIP are split into....gawd knows.
Libdems virtually don't exist....
Apart from the SNP, is there any party that will actually reach the next election, let alone unscathed? The Greens might disappear with the boundary changes!

 

[317 forever]

Can you not see how having a referendum about leaving the EU after leaving the EU might be a touch hard? :roll: BTW you still haven't shown how i support a second referendum. I will ask again: show me where I have said that.

On what terms will your second referendum stand? That leaving was a mistake and could we possible be let back in the club? I am not sure that is going to work. I accept that people voted to leave. We all had a vote. I simply feel it is odd that the people who complained most vociferously about the last referendum now expect those unhappy with this decision to sit quietly.

BTw - any ideas on what the plan to leave the EU looks like or where the £350m a week for the NHS has got to?

People will become so much less healthy once we leave the EU that the NHS will at least another £350m to cover extra costs arising anyway.
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There was a referendum held on whether we should leave Europe or not. The majority voted for Brexit. That's it, full stop, the government now gets on with the exit negotiations. If anybody who voted Brexit is not happy with the final terms, hard luck. Similarly the Remainers should stop whingeing about the referendum result and stop showing themselves up as bad losers.

As there are so many unknowns in the final Brexit settlement, and it may differ from what many Leave voters envisaged, there is a case for a final referendum on the settlement. It would be a final referendum, and really the deciding factor on whether we leave or in fact stay in the EU after all.
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If we get a soft Brexit, keeping the benefits that we currently enjoy such as freedom of movement, that would arguably be better than the UK being part of the EU as the EU can progress easier without the UK causing problems.

This would have the consolation of maintaining more harmonious relations and more effective trade with the EU than hard Brexit.
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When everyone's finished calling each other names...

The key is Remain didn't win - and therefore can sit back and do nothing. It's up to the Leave politicians to sort stuff out that leaves more than 50% of the country happy. problem is, 48% are already unhappy, and if half of Brexit don't get what they want that's 73% of the country unhappy and an election looming.

On one hand I want Brexit to fail, on the grounds of "I told you so", but on the other it has to be a success as from now on I'll be relying on private and state pensions + bank interest from savings and dividends from shares. So if the economy collapses I'll haven't a clue what income I will get.

Us remoaners would be much, much happier if we knew exactly what the plans are, and where we will be in five years, we might be more agreeable. But if there was a solid plan, and half of the leave voters didn't like it, we'd be back to square one.

And, of course two parties + SNP wishing to remain in the EU could hold the balance of power after the next general election.....what then??

As no Parliament can bind its successor, the next Parliament could vote down Brexit if it has not been implemented by then.

 

[Howardh]

If it ends up being a soft Brexit, which does anyone NOT think it will be, will Brexiters unhappy with that want another referendum on the grounds of "no, that's not good enough"? If so, what would be the question? Do you accept this or go harder? Would there be a third option to abandon Brexit?

Of course this could be many, many years away, maybe after the next General Election.

 

[furnessvale]

If it ends up being a soft Brexit, which does anyone NOT think it will be, will Brexiters unhappy with that want another referendum on the grounds of "no, that's not good enough"? If so, what would be the question? Do you accept this or go harder? Would there be a third option to abandon Brexit?

Of course this could be many, many years away, maybe after the next General Election.

The decision to leave has already been made.

Any second referendum should be on the question, "do we leave accepting the terms of any agreement, or do we leave with no agreement, ie WTO rules".i

 

[TheKnightWho]

The decision to leave has already been made.

Any second referendum should be on the question, "do we leave accepting the terms of any agreement, or do we leave with no agreement, ie WTO rules".i

And if the public don't want to leave anymore? The deal is looking increasingly unattractive, and WTO rules would severely hurt the economy.

 

[J-2739]

I have to admit that this came to mind

(not my picture - Ripley and the Alien out of Alien 3)

Perfect!

 

[DarloRich]

What about before then? The crash was caused by excessive exuberance by consumers and reckless lending by banks.

that, and a vast property bubble, is exactly what the Celtic Tiger economy was based on. It was clearly unsustainable. :roll:

 

[burneside]

And if the public don't want to leave anymore? The deal is looking increasingly unattractive, and WTO rules would severely hurt the economy.

What deal would that be? I haven't heard any details of a Brexit deal.

 

[Howardh]

I haven't heard any details of a Brexit deal.

You said it.