Engineering works Shrewsbury-Crewe 7/8th Jan

[JoeGJ1984]

I happened to discover that there are engineering works between Shrewsbury and Crewe on the weekend of 7th/8th Jan and Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly trains via Shrewsbury and Crewe will be diverted. Does anyone know what route to expect?

 

[ValleyLines142]

I happened to discover that there are engineering works between Shrewsbury and Crewe on the weekend of 7th/8th Jan and Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly trains via Shrewsbury and Crewe will be diverted. Does anyone know what route to expect?

It's quite a long diversion, the journey time between Shrewsbury and Manchester has been increased by over an hour, so I guess trains are being diverted possibly via Stafford, or via Wrexham and Chester, but on Sundays buses replace trains between Manchester and Chester. I would therefore guess via Stafford along the route Cambrian Line services run, but I don't know for sure. Any corrections welcome

 

[ushawk]

Looking at the NRE journey planner, Saturday they are non-stop between Shrewsbury and Crewe and on Sunday they also call at Wrexham and Chester, so we know what route they take the Sunday, but not Saturday.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Looking at the NRE journey planner, Saturday they are non-stop between Shrewsbury and Crewe and on Sunday they also call at Wrexham and Chester, so we know what route they take the Sunday, but not Saturday.

That's strange, also according to NRE they are going via Chester on Sunday as Manchester-Llandudno services are being replaced by buses between Manchester and Chester.

 

[voyagerdude220]

That's strange, also according to NRE they are going via Chester on Sunday as Manchester-Llandudno services are being replaced by buses between Manchester and Chester.

I've not looked any times up, but I'd guess the route for both days, judging by past diversions would be: Shrewsbury-Chirk-Wrexham-Chester-Crewe (reverse).
Manchester to Llandudno services run via Warrington & Runcorn East.

 

[Welshman]

And according to ATW's website, Chester-Manchester services are bustituted because of engineering works between Manchester Piccadilly and Salford Crescent.

On past occasions, ATW have run via the Mid-Cheshire Line via Northwich when their usual route is blocked, but there's no mention of that this time.

 

[ValleyLines142]

I've not looked any times up, but I'd guess the route for both days, judging by past diversions would be: Shrewsbury-Chirk-Wrexham-Chester-Crewe (reverse).
Manchester to Llandudno services run via Warrington & Runcorn East.

Ah yes, I think Shrewsbury to Manchester services would double-back to Crewe after Chester. In fact that sounds correct as trains are still calling at Crewe, albeit nearly 90 minutes after calling at Shrewsbury.

Manchester-Llandudno services via Warrington and Newton-le-Willows are being replaced by buses between Manchester and Chester all weekend.

If anyone is travelling along these routes this weekend do pray tell what route trains are taking!

 

[The Planner]

A quick check of TRUST shows plenty of bustitution. Looks like the Camarthen/Milford Haven Manchesters run via Oxley chord at Wolves on Saturday and v.v. Sunday looks like via Chester and Wrexham.

 

[PHILIPE]

Ah yes, I think Shrewsbury to Manchester services would double-back to Crewe after Chester. In fact that sounds correct as trains are still calling at Crewe, albeit nearly 90 minutes after calling at Shrewsbury.

Manchester-Llandudno services via Warrington and Newton-le-Willows are being replaced by buses between Manchester and Chester all weekend.

If anyone is travelling along these routes this weekend do pray tell what route trains are taking!

Chrester to Manchester via Northwich. Some services at weekends are booked this route.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Chrester to Manchester via Northwich. Some services at weekends are booked this route.

How is this possible though, because trains are still scheduled to call at Crewe?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

How is this possible though, because trains are still scheduled to call at Crewe?

Without looking at times or anything, maybe Chester-Crewe-Middlewich-Hale-Manchester?

 

[ValleyLines142]

Without looking at times or anything, maybe Chester-Crewe-Middlewich-Hale-Manchester?

Is this do-able?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Is this do-able?

Again without checking service patterns or times etc, as I'm not entirely sure which services you are referring to, that would be the only way to combine running services via the Mid-Cheshire line whilst also calling at Crewe.

 

[PHILIPE]

Trains that travel via Northwich have nothing to do with the services that call at Crewe. They are 2 completely different services. The trains that run via Northwich on Sunday are North Wales Coast to Manchesters and the trains that call at Crewe are South Wales to Manchesters follwing earlier diversion after Shrewsbury either via Oxley Chord and Stafford or via Wrexham and Chester. Llandudno to Manchesters on Saturday would be bustitution as there would not be paths during daytime via Northwich. They would travel that route on Sunday but bustitution for stations via Warrington Bank Quay. The thread started re Shrewsbury and Crewe, but Chester to Manchester Engineering which is something completely different has crept in and apparently caused confusion.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Trains that travel via Northwich have nothing to do with the services that call at Crewe. They are 2 completely different services. The trains that run via Northwich on Sunday are North Wales Coast to Manchesters and the trains that call at Crewe are South Wales to Manchesters follwing earlier diversion after Shrewsbury either via Oxley Chord and Stafford or via Wrexham and Chester. Llandudno to Manchesters on Saturday would be bustitution as there would not be paths during daytime via Northwich. They would travel that route on Sunday but bustitution for stations via Warrington Bank Quay. The thread started re Shrewsbury and Crewe, but Chester to Manchester Engineering which is something completely different has crept in and apparently caused confusion.

I know they are different services but I wondered what the service path was for Shrewsbury to Manchester services for Saturday. I know the situation for Sunday. North Wales services were brought into this because I thought they were going Shrewsbury - Chester - Newton-le-Willows - Manchester but we have just found out that they will be diverted along the Mid-Cheshire Line via Northwich and Altrincham.

 

[PHILIPE]

North Wales to Manchester services would go nowhere near Shrewsbury even if diverted. Anyway Newton-le-Willows is a blocked route. It seems we ought to split this thread to avoid confusion.

 

[ValleyLines142]

I wasn't referring to North Wales services going near Shrewsbury, I meant that Shrewsbury-Manchester trains would take the usual path of North Wales services, which isn't the case as its blocked as I've just found out.

I know the route for all services now anyway so no worries

 

[OxtedL]

Enjoy working out what this means:

BETWEEN 0035 SAT AND 1235 SAT, BETWEEN 0805 AND 1235 SUNDAY AND BETWEEN 1600 SUN AND 0400 MON:

TRAINS TO/FROM HEREFORD EITHER TO TERMINATE SHORT AT SHREWSBURY OR TO BE DIVERTED VIA OXLEY USING PLATFORM 3 ONLY AT SHREWSBURY AND THEN UNDER SINGLE LINE WORKING ARRANGEMENTS OVER DOWN MAIN BETWEEN PLATFORM 3 AT SHREWSBURY AND GOBOWEN. AT GOBOWEN, BACKSHUNT REQUIRED. TRAIN SERVICE TO BE RESTRICTED TO 1 TPH IN EACH DIRECTION.
RAIL REPLACEMENT ROAD SERVICE TO OPERATE BETWEEN SHREWSBURY AND CREWE. SERVICES TO/FROM THE TELFORD DIRECTION TO TERMINATE
IN PLATFORMS 5 AND 6 ONLY. FREIGHT SERVICES TO BE DIVERTED VIA STAFFORD, TELFORD AND SHREWSBURY AVOIDING LOOP OR TO BE DIVERTED
VIA WEST MIDLANDS, ABBOTSWOOD JN AND CHELTENHAM SPA.

BETWEEN 1235 SAT AND 0135 SUN AND BETWEEN 1235 SUN AND 1600 SUN:

TRAINS TO BE DIVERTED VIA WREXHAM OR VIA STAFFORD AND TELFORD UNDER NORMAL SIGNALLING WILL FULL USE OF PLATFORMS 3, 4, 5
AND 6 AT SHREWSBURY. RAIL REPLACEMENT ROAD SERVICE TO OPERATE BETWEEN CREWE AND SHREWSBURY.

BETWEEN 0035 SUN AND 0805 SUN:

ALL LINES BLOCKED

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse documents/Rules Of The Route/Outrotr12/70lnw12.pdf

 

[ValleyLines142]

Enjoy working out what this means:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse documents/Rules Of The Route/Outrotr12/70lnw12.pdf

Merciii

 

[The Planner]

Easy enough to understand, anything to/from Shrewsbury either terminates in P3 or goes via the Oxley chord and Stafford to Crewe. If they want a service to Chester/Holyhead then it is single line working to Gobowen, only one train per hour is allowed and a shunt would be required at Gobowen to obtain the running line that is open. Locals from Brum to terminate in the bay platforms only (which they do anyway I think). Freight goes via Oxley and Stafford again to reach Crewe/the Marches, or they send it down the Lickey.

No single line working required after 1235 Sat until 0135 Sun and 1235 Sun to 1600.

0035 Sun and 0805 pretty obvious !

 

[FLUB#1]

Regular ATW diversionary routes, dependent on traincrew route knowledge..

Shrewsbury - Nantwich - Crewe: diversionary routes
via Wrexham/Chester
via Oxley/Stafford

Shrewsbury - Wrexham - Chester: diversionary routes
via Crewe/Nantwich

Chester - Helsby - Manchester: diversionary routes
via Northwich/Stockport
via Crewe/Warrington/Chat Moss
via Crewe/Styal/Stockport

ATW services do not go via Middlewich

 

[JoeGJ1984]

I'm thinking of going to Manchester (from Shrewsbury) for a bash on the Metrolink and other local routes this Saturday, so will be interested to see what happens. The trains call at Crewe, Wilmslow, Stockport and Manchester Piccadilly. Noticed a long stand at Shrewsbury and a bit of a stand (not so long) at Crewe. Is a stand time in the middle of a journey a clue to a reversal?

 

[The Planner]

I have said which way they are going slightly up the thread, the saturday ones go via Oxley.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The above is all true, but you'd never know from NRES or ATW sites.
No mention of the Saturday closure/diversion Crewe-Shrewsbury.

Having done the Wolverhampton Low Level - Bushbury line in the 60s, I'm turning out tomorrow hoping to secure the 200 yards or so of new track in the Oxley Curve (on a Chester-Crewe-Shrewsbury CDR!).